Villa, Moro, Vicente, Joaquin, Edu, Albelda, Miguel, Marchena, Helguera, Caniera, and Cani.

With Albiol, Arizmendi, Fernandes, Hildebrand, SILVA, Sunday, and Zigic on the bench. This is a team of WORLD-CLASS players! How we are losing makes no sense at all to me and it needs to STOP right now!

Villa, Vicente, and Joaquin need to step the fuck up and start playing like they are being paid to play. Period.

just look at england!

England don't have that talent though

The answer is Ronald Koeman, you guys appointed a worse coach than what you had before.

Surely QQ would have done better! Getting knocked out of the Champions and most likely missing the Uefa Cup as well is a bit much. Anyway, i just hope you get your form back for the Barca game in 2 weeks.

We usually do better at the second-half season.....

lol.

and yes koeman is a pretty poor coach he was bad with us, and he doesnt appear to have make any positive impact since going to valencia.

morientes is trying, and Koeman is giving him the time he needs, and Villa needs to step up, he has been having an odd attitude, since he returned from injury, this team is confusing me. I dont understand the reason why the team is under-performing

David Villa wants out.

where did you hear that bolox and total nonsense

The guys names I have highlited in BOLD are guys who I believe arent actually that good, and only looked good when they had better players playing alongside them (Ayala with Marchena, Younger Baraja next to Albelda) the guys I have UNDERLINED are guys that are very much at the tail end of their careers and dont have the mobility they once did nor the ability to carry teams like they once did. While the guys in ITALICS are guys who have been injured pretty much every time I have seen Valencia play and Edu has barely played for you AT ALL, so to list him as one of your good players is totally misleading.

As for the guys remaining, Albiol, Fernandes, Silva, Hildebrand, Miguel, its been incredible to see at least 2 of them go through a run of poor form (Silva and Miguel) one has been exposed by a horribly underperforming partner that even he with all his talent cant save (Albiol) and Hildebrand is being punished for the lack of protection in front of him while Fernandes is a new signing who cant be expected to hold together a midfield entirely on his own in a new country with a new style of play and with Albelda as his partner.

Pretty much every player on that list has a problem of some sort and the talent that Valencia has, just isnt as strong as it was. Joaquin is about the only player who has performed this season and tbh, I havent seen Valencia play the last monthish, so it was only a matter of time efore the burden got too much even for him. Until a proper center back is signed and a proper DMid, then Valencia are going to struggle.

Oh, and Koeman isnt that good!

Valencia's defence isn't good. Raul Albiol and Miguel are its only stars, I think. They need another CB, this time it could be somebody with great leadership and dfenceskills. Also playmaking isn't so wonderful. Somebody, like RvdV would be good there.

The major decisions Soler has made in the past seasons have all been absurd, now the situation is all coming to a head after years of mismanagement. I still think that it was a terrible mistake in firing Quique when he did, you guys were much better off then than you are now. While Valencia had problems, I dont think it was anything that couldn't have been overcome just that Soler never gave Quique a proper working environment. It would've been better to fire him in the summer if anything, but allowing him to stay only to fire him so quickly is just ridiculous, especially if the best you can come up with is Ronald Koeman.



I would want out to. He's very ambitious and in the last match, the fans completely turned on him. To tell you the truth, Valencia would probably even be better off. He's a very good player but certainly not good enough for the transfer fee Valencia would undoubtedly get for him. He isn't irreplaceable and with that cash Valencia could plug some of the other holes they have.

^^^^Not sure I agree with everything there, buddy.


Soler in truth HANDED everything to Quique the past couple of seasons, giving him almost complete control in player transfer matters and not to mention giving him the squad he wanted.


1- Sold Pablo Aimar.

2- Fired Amadeo Carboni

3- Brought in players like Arizmendi, Helguera, Alexis, and getting rid of Ayala and Tavano.


All of these things were given to Quique on a silver platter. I think Soler made the decision to fire him based simply on the pressure getting to him. I don't think he did it because he truly cares about the team. If he did, he would have fired Quique after last season, would have paid the necessary cash to bring in Van der Vaart and paid Jose Mourinho the 5 million plus he was asking for.


Soler's problem is that he doesn't have the ambition. And Quique was like that also, didn't have the real desire to win a trophy and thats why him and Soler clicked so well I guess.


Ronald Koeman is not a bad coach. But winning in the Spanish league is definitely a different thing to the Dutch league. But Koeman cannot be expected to turn this around in less than a season. The club has too many problems, beginning with the higher ups, and then going on down to the team.


If Villa left, I honestly wouldn't blame him. He plays his heart out everytime and often has very little help in terms of support. And now with the fans turning against him the way they reportedly are IMO is the last thing that should happen because he is the man at Valencia. In truth, I don't believe he will leave. Villa is ambitious in that he wants to win. He's a warrior. But I don't think he wants to go to either Italy or England. There's no way Valencia would sell him to either Barcelona or Real Madrid and I'm not certain Villa would want to go there anyways. I honestly think Villa will just double his efforts and play harder. Its what he knows. He's not your typical star player with an ego like Thierry Henry or Samuel Eto'o. I don't think he's too happy now, but in time this club will get things fixed I think. We'll probably have to wait till this upcoming off season in the Summer.


But I think in time, longer than we hope, things will improve.

I dont know, but if I had a subordinate that was a constant menace and continually challenged my authority in front of his peers and THEN my boss promoted him to be my direct boss, I don't know if I'd be able to work properly. The decision to appoint Carboni as the SD right after he retired is one of the biggest WTF?! decisions by a La Liga president in a long time. Predictably, it didn't work out as they were both more concerned with fighting each other and exerting their authority than doing their job.

Yet if you look at is, Quique always qualified for the CL, which is about what Valencia should aspire to every year, especially in seasons with one of the best Barca teams in their history which was the toast of Europe. Valencia even had good moments in the CL, it is a pretty solid balance all things considered, and last year I thought Valencia was poised to make a serious challenge were it not for all the injuries. Yet Valencia fans would have you believe that it was the apocalypse and Quique was sending the team down to segunda. It's absurd really. I remember right after he was fired there was a big controversy all over Spain because virtually no neutral observer thought it was a rational decision. A poll on Marca had over 70% disagreeing with the decisions, and several managers came out in support of Quique (something I've NEVER seen before).

Valencia fans just get the taste of a few La Liga titles and they expect to win it every year, when that doesn't correlate to your historical position and financial prowess. There are only two teams that can expect to win the league every year, and thats Barca and Madrid. There are only three teams that can expect to qualify for the CL every year, and one of those is Valencia. And doing that consistently will maintain th club near the top of Spanish football with the chance to make a serious challenge for the league and possibly win it every few years.

I agree that Quique isn't the best manager in the world. But I get the feeling that Valencia would've been better off just holding on to him this season, qualifying for the CL next year (which Valencia were still in good position to do when he was fired) and then maybe making a change depending on what happened. Now the CL looks tough because Atleti and Villarreal are playing with confidence and Valencia is in shambles.

Well that little tidbit with Quique and Carboni all occured because of the "highly intelligent" Juan Soler. The man who supposedly "cares about the team." Thats another story, though.


Quique did always get us to the CL, but I'm not convinced he would have gotten us there this year. The guys didn't look motivated or hungry while he was there, and the playing style of football was too predictable. Quique would often play some SHOCKING lineups as well, and his playing tactics were even more irrational.


I didn't even want to get into the signings, but for laughs I will

Arizmendi- The worst first touch in the HISTORY of football. And lets not forget that Carboni brought in Tavano and also wanted Trezeguet when that failed, yet Quique preferred Arizmendi. WOW... I don't know what to say.

Helguera- Probably the worst signing of the off season. I honestly cannot believe that this was the best we could do to replace Roberto Ayala. Were Quique and Soler both serious???... It seems so.

And while we're at it lets mention that Quique ran both Pablo Aimar and Francesco Tavano out of town.


The man was just too irrational. Plus he failed to address our needs in the midfield and defense. A really good manager doesn't do that.l

I'm not expecting much. Valencia don't deserve anything this year. If they turn it around and fight for a place in the CL, I would be happy. But right now things don't look good, and it wouldn't have mattered if Quique remained IMO.

have u guys won or for that matter even got a point under koeman?

Sorry guys but i now think we have lost our status as a big club. BTW i wouldn't blame VDV for rejecting us

Only remember won once, lost in style many time... Koeman, what a crap!!

Why didn't the knuckleheads in our organization just hire Mourinho in the first place??...

We beat Murcia at our home and draw with Osasuna at away in La Liga..And have two draws in Championship League...But we didn't score a goal in the last 6 games.

i really feel bad for u guys. koeman is a terrible coach, couldnt stand him in benfica aswell.

btw perhaps a bit off topic, but is fernandes a regular starter for u guys? i only saw one valencia match and he was starting that game but i think he has lost his spot since then. do u guys think he should be starting or is koeman making the right choice for now?

He's been in and out of the team much like everyone else. The only players which have consistently played this season have been Morientes, Albelda, Helguera, Albiol, Moretti, Miguel and Silva. Too bad that Helguera and Albelda are terrible players. It's really embarrassing what is happening. Fernandes should be starting unless he is playing a double pivot midfield using Sunny, Edu or Baraja. If he's using the shit he has been then Fernandes should be the first name on the team sheet.

Today was the worst, I was happy with Koeman until a couple weeks ago his selections are ridiculous and they're pissing me off. I have no idea how he can use Montoro and Albelda and not even include Baraja or Edu in the squad and have Sunny and Fernandes on the bench.

To answer the question how are we not winning with this talent, it doesn't matter what talent is in the squad if it's sitting on the bench or not being called up. If Helguera is on the pitch while Alexis is on the bench and when Edu and Fernandes, two of the better midfielders in the league aren't playing while clowns like Albelda are it's a problem. I hate Albelda and Helguera but it's not there fault, they are just being called up to play by wankers like Koeman and Quique. Koeman and Quique have done this to Valencia and it'll continue to happen until there's some intelligence in the club. And that starts with Soler. Once the club is rid of that twat then maybe there can be some order restored. But that's pretty unlikely for some time because even if he did leave Valencia is a team with a lot of politics always.

They should just try to salvage what they can from this season. i.e. A top 6 finish. Then plan a major overhall for next season. I'm interested to see who'll come in January but it won't matter who comes as long as the likes of Albelda will be preferred to them.

IMO this is worse than 2004/05 season with Ranieri what do you guys think? i would have rather kept QQ for longer. It is not fair to blame it all on Koeman though. Albelda is Shit, Arizmendi is Shit, Helguera is Shit, why the fuck did Montoro play? and this may suprise a few of you but i think Silva is one the most overhyped players in the world! Mata is better than him, when Mata came on he did two excellent through balls 1 to miguel and the other to Vicente. The team aren't playing for eachotther anymore, there is no hunger and will to win. The problems are mostly mentally than physically.

A top 10 finish is feasible. A top 6 finish I would celebrate at the rate we've been going. We need a big overhaul though.

If we finish less than top 10, we need to fire Ronald Koeman and hire Jose Mourinho if he's available or something. We need a tough manager that is going to make these players work and also a manager that is a good strategist. We should have hired Mourinho in the first place but somebody is too cheap and doesn't have the ambition to give the fans a great team.

We need to cut Arizmendi, Albelda, Helguera, Baraja, and Canizares. And if we could get a great deal for Miguel, then I think we should take that too.

We need a playmaker. Somebody who can play the number 10 role. Everybody wants Van Der Vaart but from the way things look, its difficult to see. Paying his wage is one thing(Fat fuck Soler wouldn't be willing to do it), and convincing him to come over to a team thats in shambles is another. But if we can't sign Van Der Vaart, then lets go for a similar player who won't be as costly. Whom elese could we get??

David Silva, man. I don't think he's a guy that should be a first team regular. He's good coming off the bench filling in for Vicente. But he doesn't have the true skills to really be starting for a club like Valencia. I'm not saying cut him, but we should all know by now what his role on the team should be.

David Villa hopefully doesn't get pissed off and decide he wants out. He's been abandoned somewhat by the fans here. He's going through a rough spell with injuries this season, and despite that has 3 goals in the CL and 4 goals in La Liga with 1 assist. Hopefully he decides to stay.


Mata. Like losches pointed out put through some very nice balls for Vicente and Miguel. We should go on about developing him a little more and see what we have.

Fernandes, Edu, and Sunny. Edu is a starting caliber player when healthy, but Fernandes and Sunny need to start getting more experience. I think they should play in Copa Del Rey alot. I like Sunny alot and Fernandes will be great soon too. But we need to stop leaving these guys on the bench.

We need a center back of course to help Albiol. Still can't believe that the club failed to address all the needs in the Summer. I don't know whom to blame though. Quique or Juan Soler?.

good news are,,,

for the cupa game,, no Albelda and no Canizares... i hope that Koeman saw that they are really useless.. sepcially Albedla who was walking around last game...

Yeah, i should some valencianista should kill some fuckers like Arizmendi, Helguera, Albelda.. those guys should be burned...

I find it disrespectful to get rid of both Canizares and Albelda this way. According to Marca, Koeman pretty much told them to find another team. Very classy.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/...lo/1069880.html

Soler and Koeman are going to ruin your club.

It's a risky move by Koeman that smacks of desperation. I can agree that Cañizares and especially Albelda haven't played well this season, but they have been two of the main stalwarts during Valencia's best ever ears as a club. Moreover, they are both very influential players so a move like this can always backfire on him. I don't see the need to make a dramatic statement like this, what if he will need them down the line? This reminds me of what Madrid did to Helguera, when the club ended up having to pull their pants down and admit their mistake.

I agree that they need to be benched but you can do that without making such a fuss, and then use them if they are needed. I like how Rijkaard is handling the Ronaldinho benching, which is much more earth shattering. He's downplaying it, and that's helping the squad get over the trauma.

I don't have a very good feeling about all these goings ons in Valencia. It's bad for the league IMO and it's especially bad for the NT, because Valencia still have a significant contingent of Spanish internationals.

Well Albelda we should have gotten rid of over the Summer. The only good thing I can recall of him in the last 2 years was his assist to Villa in the Real Murcia game. Other than that, he shows no effort and he has cost us big time, particularly in the Shalke match in La Mestalla when he made an idiotic tackle. You would think our "captain" would show more leadership and control with all his experience in big games especially a big game that we could have won and secured either a Champions League spot or a UEFA Cup spot. I doubt we could get too much for him, so I would just let him ride the bench and fill in for either Fernandes, Edu, or Sunny when either is injured.


Canizares can still make some good saves, but he's old now and he doesn't quite have the reflexes and reaction time anymore. Plus he too makes some really silly mistakes that a keeper of his experience really shouldn't make and I think its time that the club gets a young keeper and starts developing him.


Now we need to get rid of both Arizmedi and Helguera. Helguera we can ship back to Madrid especially if they want him back so badly. If we could get a decent sum for him, that would be sweet. We could use that to buy a competent center back to help plug the middle.

Arizmendi needs to shipped to one of the lower level clubs that needs a striker. If we could get a half decent sum for him, that would be good. I'd be happy with any compensation we could get for him.

Once we do that, hopefully the club can at least fight back hard enough to try and get a position somehwere in the top 10, and then we can rebuild in the Summer. If for some reason we cannot sign Van Der Vaart, then lets make an honest effort to look for a playmaker who will come in at a good price. Not sure who's available but we definitely need that. Both Sunny and Fernandes can play box to box and there's not much point in wasting too much time in developing them. The sooner we start, the better for next season. Both have much to learn, but lets use that now. Let them play in Copa Del Rey, and give them some first team experience starting against Zaragoza this weekend. There's no reason to hold on to Albelda and Baraja anymore. They've had their time and they need to go, simple as that.

This is my first post on a Spanish forum ever.

There is only one reason Valencia aren't where they should be: Ronald Koeman. Simple as that. The guy is not a proper manager.

You've gone from an ultra-defensive, conservative and uncreative manager in Flores to an ultra-idiot in Koeman.

Appoint a world-class manager so we can see players like Villa, Silva and Morientes back at their best! I have a bit of a soft spot for Valencia so I'd like to see them playing some attacking, open football of which they are capable.

Incredible. Excuse my French but Koeman is a fucking idiot who is only surpassed in stupidity by his fatso boss Soler.

I understand that Albelda and Cañizares aren't who they used to be but the intelligent thing would be to just bench them and force them to recover their starting role by playing well. Dumping two players who have been so important for this club for so long is not right, especially when one of them is your captain! I hate when clubs do these things, it reminds me when Capello told Beckham he wasn't going to play for the club ever again, and we all agree that was a dumb decision though luckily it all worked out in the end for Madrid.

In reality what really makes this a dumb decision is that Valencia do not really have players on the bench who are any better. The team is already short on quality center midfielders and Hildebrand is not much of an improvement over Cañi in my eyes.

In the end these are things that the club should have worked out in the summer. They knew coming in they were weak in the middle and that they needed a solid replacement for Ayala but they didn't get the right people to plug the gaps in the squad and instead buy too expensive forwards they didn't really need who were definitely not worth the money.

Again an institution cannot work to its potential when the leadership is incompetent, and in this case I don't see Valencia at its best until they remove Soler and replace him with someone who knows what he's doing. Finally, firing Quique was a mistake, as you have hopefully all realized.

Fucking hell, I can't describe how incompetent I now think Koeman has been. I don't give a fuck about what happened Cañizares is a crack, he was starting to play considerably more stably and it finally looked like the whole him vs Hildebrand thing was over for the time being. He genuinely wants the team to do well and for the next year or two he'd be great back up at worst. Now wtf is he going to do? Play Mora when Hildebrand is out until he can get his buddy Gomes who isn't any better than Timo or Santi to join from PSV? Ridiculous.

The Albelda situation even if it's as ridiculous I'm happy because Albelda is fucking shit and someone needed to shove their foot down his ass.

I can't stand a guy that would force Gavilán out of his squad in favour for Arizmendi it's stupidity.

This could go both ways, the right way if he decides to use younger, hungrier players with the potential to take Valencia or on, or if he uses the same old players which are stagnating and going nowhere.

A big fuck you to Quique for fucking us over the way he did. An even bigger fuck you to Juan Soler for being an idiot and not knowing anything about football. Fat fuck agreed to selling Pablo Aimar, and failed to bring Jose Mourinho to this club. This is the real cancer of the club. Koeman is just an extension of it now.


I applaud the fans for not attending home games. Maybe this will send a strong message to Soler to actually stop being so fucking blind.

I as so damn happy if Abelda is out, he is a liability unlike Raul, Raul is a striker who was invisible in his say 4 years of poor form and sometimes scored in important games, even tho he sucked he worked his ass off to give a here and there assist or goal

-Abelda is a defensive midfielder who walks around like an idiot, not only is he invisible, when he has the ball he gives it to the other team or gives awful tackles which picks up yellows for no reason, the man seriously can't win the ball cleanly without hurting another person
-non-Valencia fans do not understand how we feel when we watch him play; sure u guys can play oh he's our captain and say he's a veteran and shit, those things are irrelevant b/c what leadership does he bring? even if he sucks, he's not a good role model for the team neither can he even push the team to do better. he brings nothing to the table
-Real Madrid fans can complain how bad Diarra and Gago can be, yet Abelda is on a totally different level, at least Gago and Diarra can win the ball and pass it up sometimes, Abelda is assumed to have a great game when Valencia wins even though all Abelda did was win 2 headers..
-even tho Koeman is doing shit, im glad Koeman took a stand and benched this fool, QQ and Koeman had enough of this man's shit and couldn't take it ne longer so he benched him, Koeman finally is fed up and give Abelda numerous chances to prove himself, it takes balls to bench a captain/veteran, and he has the every right to

we could still use Canizares he's been playing very well in the past few games pretty much saved our ass in the Chelsea game, it coulda been 5-0 easily, if he starts to do bad, then we have Hildebrad, no need to waste money on an expensive goalkeeper which isn't even our top priority, actually to think about it, its one of the last things to think about, we need a good central midfielder and a center back

i'll wait till the end of the season to completely judge Koeman, but that line up against Barca is funny, lucky Barca didn't try so hard in the 2nd half and lucky for us Eto'o didn't put 4 goals past us
but on the bright side we played very well v Atheltico Bilbao, even tho we lost 3-0, we had the possession and were all over them, usually we nvr play like that, only bad thing was Bilbao only had like 5 counters and 3 of them were goals

sorry i edited so many times, hell if Canizares sucked ass big but Koeman gave him another chance and proving himself to Koeman, plus he's more of a captain than Abelda, Canizares is more motivated cursing his ass off at the defense etc..he is also a good thing
we can only wait and see; keep your heads up Valencia fans, always light at the end of the tunnel; drastic changes take drastic measures, hopefully it'll be for the good

In my view, the issue transcends Albelda or Cañizares' actual contribution on the pitch. If come next match they were both on the bench, people would take note but it wouldn't be the biggest deal in the world. What Koeman has managed to do with this is put it as MARCA's headline, I'm sure every bar in Valencia is talking about it, even fans from other teams are talking about it. Valencia is in a big enough crisis already, what they don't need is more instability. These are two of Valencia's most influential players of all time, dumping them like this will cause waves.

To get over a crisis you have to make changes, but social stability is also needed. The manager has to get the team out of the headlines as much as possible so they can concentrate on playing better. This also calms the fans down, as the atmosphere in Mestalla has been unbearable all season. This is the dynamic Madrid got into during the trophy-less seasons. Just knee-jerk reaction after knee-jerk reaction that only made things worse. This is just the next one in a serious of knee-jerk reactions the club has made in the past 2 seasons.

Who can instead of Albelda?!!!Though this season he played very bad,he is still our captain,he is still one of the best defensive midfielder in La Liga.In modern football,defensive midfielder is a very important position,if we get rid of him,it is very hard to find another high level player to replace him.I think now he only need some times to rest and think over the situation.
I agree to let Timo replace Canizares,Canizares is too old now but Timo is young,Timo is NO.2 Germany goalkeeper,isn't worse than Canizares.Although the first few games he not played as well as he did in Germany League.But it just that he need some games to suit,we should trust him.He will be Germany No.1 goalkeeper and much better than Canizares in one or two years if he become our start goalkeeper.
I find from other medias said that Koeman also want to get rid of Vicente,Angulo....And we have loaned Gavilian to Getafe.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-...s&type=lgns

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/...lo/1070458.html



and no comment at all...
i agreed on Albelda and Santi.. but Angulo? he is the most hard working player i ever witnessed in the team...

Now Villa appears wanting to leave. This season can't get any worse.

Koeman has wanted too much too fast. He's changing things at a time when he just needed to create a team, not tear everything apart. The summer is the time for this - not in the middle of the season. Personally I feel Villa wants to leave anyway, and only now does he have an excuse.

If Villa leaves, where would he go to??... Koeman is DESTROYING this team. He along with Soler have RAPED Valencia. Its one thing to let players that have no future in this club go like Albelda, but now when our star player wants to leave, I think there's a problem. But the Soler has brought this on the club. He's basically left this club in ruins ever since he sold Aimar, fired Carboni, and now he's running Villa out.


Villa will probably go to England and sign for a club like Chelsea or maybe Arsenal. If they let him go to either Real or Barca they'd be very stupid but then again, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

Angulo the next victim?
This is a bit much now, I know Angulo's gack but from what I've seen he loves the club and always gives 100 percent, what kind of message is this going to send out to the younger players.

And on the Villa leaving thing, I think he has to go this summer, if the club wants to start afresh I think he has to go, dont get me wrong he's a great player but Valencia depend on him too much!

Oh and a few quotes from La Liga Loca that I found amusing, they were regarding the worst summer buys:

QUOTE

Centre Back - Ivan Helguera, Valencia, Free Transfer

Dear Lord. Yes, he was free, but the fact that Valencia are actually paying good money for Helguera to tart about in their back four, gets him into the side. His constant look of fear and confusion would be highly entertaining if he wasn't helping to hammer a nail into the coffin of a once great side, with his calamitous, 'this way to the goal' displays.

Striker - Nikola Zigic, Valencia, 22 million euros

The stock of former Racing Santander sensation, Nikola Zigic has fallen so far that even Arizmendi gets a start ahead of the Serbian giant. Insults don't come much worse than that. He has more centimetres than minutes played, so far this season.

What a joke. You guys have really screwed things up. Angulo doesn't deserve to be kicked out, he isn't the most gifted player, but really works his socks off. Albelda doesn't deserve to be sidelined as well, yes he may be performing below his standards, but these past 2 seasons he has probably been one of the best DM's in europe.

With that way things are going now your club has no real future. Villa,Albelda,Angulo,Canizares are looking to leave and Koeman doesn't like Vicente,Joaquin.

To think i thought you guys had a chance of winning the champions league these past 2 seasons. What are you going to do when you let these guys go ? Going to take you lot a miracle to bring you back to the Cuper/Rafa years.

Carboni must be laughing his head off.

I feel sorry for you guys. I've witnessed Koeman's destruction first hand. "Helping" Ajax in a downwards spiral after we first had an incredibly talented team formed by Co Adriaanse and Leo Beenhakker with players like Chivu, Van der Vaart, Zlatan, Maxwell, Trabelsi, Mido and more. His first season was good, profiting from the quality we had. After that got into a fight with Mido and Van der Vaart, allowed them and Zlatan to leave. Played terrible football with poor tactical choices, signed some of the worst signings I've ever seen in Ajax history with names like (you probably never heard of them): Sonck, Soetaars and Sikora. Resigned after there was so much pressure by the media and supporters that it was impossible for him to stay.

Don't know much about his Portuguese adventure, but I understand it wasn't that good.

Then PSV, first year profiting from the quality Hiddink left behind. Though the second half of the season they already looked weaker than they had in the past 5 years. This year the squad broke up, no decent incoming transfers and after a month he suddenly quits and leaves. Haven't seen PSV this weak in ages, and I love Koeman for it.

RIP valencia btw.

It wasn't that good at all. We had an awesome squad that year capable of winning anything and Ronald came in and screwed things around. I warned everyone in here when Koeman was appointed that things were not going to get any better

He has a poor relationship with players too. Heaps of players wanted to leave the club because of him. Funny thing Manuel Fernandes never got along with the guy now he is back with him. Serves him right for leaving

now this is really beyond what my soccer experience can endure and analyze..

and if Manuel Fernandes leaves... i'll announce the death of my team..

WOW wtf just read this shit on goal.com
what did Angulo do wrong? he's a hardworking player like Vorinin of Liverpool
shit w/e were fucked, if we don't get a convincing win from Koeman in the next match
off with Koeman's head
plus we could of used Angulo as a sub instead of wasting money on another player

Well I want to feel bad for you guys, I really do, but firing a Valencia man like Quique to bring in a foreigner with little coaching success is just really dumb, so the club kind of deserves it. It reminds me of when Celta fired Vazquez and replaced him with Stoichkov last season, we got relegated and we kind of deserved it as well for being fuck heads like that.

I like Angulo, I always have, separating him from the squad would be a dumb decision, he is a good player. Villa should go to Liverpool, I would love a Torres - Villa front line at Anfield.

P.S. Angulo is only 30 and he is a Valencia man through and through, he's been with you guys for ages and it would be a real slap in the face to let him go like this. In his day he even turned down going to Arsenal and much more money because he wanted to stay with Valencia, I don't think the fans will agree with this one at all.

...I find it shocking how badly this team is playing, when just mentioned their name now to friends in general football talk the replies are all " Can you believe what has happend to them?"

Quick question, why the hell was Aimer sold a couple of seasons ago? Seriously that boggled my mind then it still boggles it now.

Oh yea and bascially as everyone has said Koeman sucks.

Now it is confirmed that we will get rid of Canizares,Albelda,Angulo.And we may will sell Baraja,Vicente... Now seem there are some top clubs want to buy Villa,and Villa want to leave us.if these players leave,I think Joaquin will also leave.
Some medias said we may also sell Zigic and Fernandes,but I think they two will stay...



Oh,who can kill the fat bastard Soler!

im going to have to disagree with La Liga Loca
Arizmendi is shit but Zigic is not, and im not saying that b/c he scored 2 goals today to give Valencia a win
im saying the man hasn't even gotten a chance to prove himself; a lot of Valencia fans may disapprove of my opinion but he hasn't gotten enough minutes, when he's come on for a sub everyone is thinking oh shit he's so tall he's gonna give us goals instantly
has Zigic even played 2 - 3 full matches yet??????

how is Alexis doing, he was supposed to be really good?