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Again this is not a Pires thread, gracias (from Almunia), danke (Mad Jens) and dzieki (Fabianski). whistling.gif Because I don't be bias so I didn't make question like who's your preferred keeper to be number one at the moment otherwise Almunia would have won landslide victory regarding on current form.

Anyway, here's slightly introduction of our keepers.

Manuel Rivero Almunia



Date of Birth: 19 May 1977
Height: 1.93m
Nationality: Spanish
Number: 21
Previous Club(s): Albacete, Recreativo Huelva, SD Eibar, Celta Vigo, CE Sabadell, FC Cartagena, Osasuna, Osasuna B

Jens Lehmann



Date of Birth: 10 November 1969
Height: 1.90m
Nationality: German
Number: 1
Previous Club(s): Arsenal, Borussia Dortmund, AC Milan, Schalke
Honour(s):
  • Best European Goalkeeper: 1997, 2006
  • UEFA Club Football Awards: Best Goalkeeper 2005-2006
  • IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper: 2nd Place (2006)
  • FIFA World Cup awards:All-Star Team 2006

Lukasz Fabianski



Date of Birth: 19 April 1985
Height: 1.90m
Nationality: Polish
Number: 21
Previous Club(s): Legia Warszawa, Lech Poznań
Honour(s):
  • Football Oscar for the best goalkeeper in the Polish Ekstraklasa
So enjoy voting and plenty quality posts would be appreciated.

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Arsenal goalkeeper Manuel Almunia could soon be taking on his north London rival Paul Robinson for the England No 1 jersey.

The Spaniard is a year away from becoming a British citizen and, having never represented Spain at any level, the 30-year-old would become eligible to play for England.

'I would never close the door on people who have shown me so much affection,' he told Spanish newspaper El Mundo.

'If I can lend England a hand once the time comes for me to be eligible — and I want to thank the country for the support it has shown me — I don't see why I shouldn't play for them. I don't rule it out.'

Errors by Tottenham keeper Robinson contributed to his national team's failure to qualify for Euro 2008.
Source: dailymail.co.uk

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Jens Lehmann has been told by his nemesis Oliver Kahn that he must leave Arsenal if he is to maintain his position as Germany’s number one in time for Euro 2008.

Kahn and Lehmann have rarely seen eye to eye but the Bayern Munich goalkeeper, who is now retired from international football, has offered advice to his one-time rival for the national team gloves.

38-year-old Lehmann has not played for Arsenal since the end of August, and having played second fiddle to Manuel Almunia, looks increasingly likely to leave during the January transfer window.

The move would be welcomed by Kahn, who acknowledges that Lehmann has given impeccable service to German football down the years.

"Jens Lehmann's services to the national team have been impeccable, but you can't play in a European championship when you are not in the team," Kahn told DSF television.
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"That's why it would be best for him to go and play where he will be in the team."


Source: sport.setanta.com
raptor619
when it comes to 1 on 1s alumnia can save them all
AdebaYOMOMMA
Fabianski's been good in the Carling Cup matches, Almunia is a very reliable and safe keeper but has his occasional dodgy moment ( once every 3 or so matches) and you can't really judge ol' Jens.
kensta
Fabianski is a future prospect. Almunia reliable. Lehmann has safe hands but just makes those silly mistakes which costs games.
Titi the Legend
QUOTE(kensta @ Dec 7 2007, 12:50 PM) *
Fabianski is a future prospect. Almunia reliable. Lehmann has safe hands but just makes those silly mistakes which costs games.


2nd that
M_I
As a keeper Lehmann is much better than Almunia. His main problem is in his mind. He has cost us quite a few goals from set pieces and he often gets booked because of his whining. The reason why he has lost his place is because of the mistakes he made this season and also because of his attitude. Jens can make some unbelievable saves and he is a commanding figure which can intimidate the opposition. Almunia is a decent keeper but i don't think he is anything special. He can also make errors although he has done well so far this season. The thing with Almunia is that he doesn't look that confident and with that haircut of his who will take him seriously laugh.gif
to put it Simply He is good but not great

Lehmann is very old now and i don't think he can continue at arsenal any more. I really think we will need to either play Fabianski or get an experienced and quality keeper from elsewhere. Hilderbrand could be a nice buy

I haven't seen much of fabianski so can't really comment. People have been impressed by him but i don't think you can judge a player from carling cup. Interestingly he was the captain in the sheffield match so maybe wenger sees him as the future no.1
wyuc
Almunia has done well so far but I think that's as high as he can go.

Lehmann has his mental lapses, but he was always among the best in the world when he's pumped up, just like how he was 2 years ago after being dropped and fighting Kahn for a place in the WC. Despite his age he is not showing that hes at the end of his career yet, unlike Seaman, Kahn and most GKs when they are near 40.

Fabianski is definitely one for the future, but he won't play too many first team games in the next few years unless Almunia leaves.
Odysseus
I think Almunia is the rightful number 1, but I'd like to see more of Fabianski. Lehmann's time is up he should really consider retiring. He just continues the mental lapses and nobody can trust him anymore.
AdebaYOMOMMA
Arsene's still trying to hold onto ol' Jensy

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Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has rejected speculation that Jens Lehmann is set to leave the club in the January transfer window.



Manuel Almunia's impressive form has seen 38-year-old Lehmann lose his usual first-team spot - with his last appearance coming in the 1-1 draw with Blackburn on 19th August.


Bundesliga side Wolfsburg are just one of the clubs reportedly keen on Lehmann, with reports suggesting he is keen on a move back to his homeland.



Nothing concrete


But Wenger insists the German international remains in his plans, and he has rejected claims that Arsenal have been in contact with Wolfsburg.


"No, it's not true. It's only newspaper talk because nothing concrete has been discussed between me and Jens and nothing between me and Wolfsburg," he told the club's official website.


"At the moment I do not want to speculate on any movement in the transfer window. We want to focus on our games and Jens is part of that."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2950942,00.html
kensta
Whats that?
Jens is a part of our game?
Maybe Arsene can convert him into a striker. ohmy.gif
Bajan Gunner
honestly...almunia was great today..no he was fantastic
Titi the Legend
his best performance so far ..
American Gooner
World Class performance today by our other badass Spaniard.
raptor619
indeed world class if gets a couple more clean sheets he should deserve and arsenal POTM award
stepover
Almunia had a performance that reminded of Madd Jens when he was at his best for us a few years ago.....now if he can only sort out that near post thingy that he is not so good at!
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I luv' his attitude. Play each game like his very last game. He has improved so much especially in handling crosses confidently compared to last time and I don't even remember if we did concede any goal from corner if I'm not mistaken.
Draemanx
I cannot believe so many people think Lehmann is better at stopping penalties than Almunia. That margin's enormous, I'd like to see statistics between the two with regards to penalty saves, because in my opinion Almunia is a penalty specialist. He won't lose Arsenal a penalty shoot-out, and he's been a hero of a few.
DutchFanatic
I think if we added a new categorie "fast reflexes" I believe that Fabianski would win that one.
Did you see how quick his dives and catches were in the game against Blackburn? I really felt that he played a very good game. Even the header that hit the post at te end... had it gone towards the goal I think Fabianski would have had it.
Great future talent.
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Erm. Yeah. I was thinking to add that criteria last time before I created the poll, but I couldn't add the question anymore. Maybe I would reset the poll again and put some new questions up there.
AdebaYOMOMMA
One issue that I have with Almunia is that he always parries the ball straight back while Lehmann would concede a corner. It might not be a bad thing but it gives the opposition player a chance to rebound.
kensta
Yes, Almunia has to work on his parrying, if it is crowded in the box, put it round the post, if it is a long one with your defenders in front, its okay.
greattoseerobinimprovising
Almunia's decision-making is poor, as well as his commanding of area. I'm not keen on his positioning either. On the other hand his shot stopping is great. But what would you expect from a keeper considered "inexperienced" around his 30s?! I wish him the best of luck though, as he seems to be Wenger's choice till the end of the current campaign.
If the rumours about Jaaskelainen are true(I wouldn't mind) I'm curious to see who will be going. As don Vito Mannone signed a new contract the other day.
Fabiansky's agility seems very promising, let's see how will he cope with crosses after his first season in England.
Ģéneral
He's had a lot to say recently hasn't he Jens. He says Wenger uses as different measuring stick for Almunia. He talks of clenched fists when he sees Almunia playing. At this rate I wouldn't let him back in between the sticks. It's not about talent anymore. The guy's bonkers.
Bajan Gunner
^^he certainly is...just when i thought he had learned his lesson and shut up...
mastermind84
I cant understand how Lehman handles set pieces and corners better?

we have only given up one goal on a set piece this season (gerrard's lucky shot)... how many goals did we give up in the past with Lehman
kensta
Two. Bale's tricky one.
But no Lehmann was a excellent handler with the ball, very safe in terms of catching and punching if needed. If you put him under pressure he cracks.
Almunia on the other hand has a great one on one confidence in him which puts in in a calm state every time he is under pressure.
He hasn't been tested in his positioning this season, he'll still need some improving in that.
Ģéneral
Lehmann's petulance will always let him down. It's more alarming than Almunia's decision making. He unsettles the back four with his attitude and I think many Gooners are yet to forgive him for his actions at WHL a few seasons ago with Robbie Keane and that penalty. As I said earlier, he's too crazy to be taken seriously sometimes thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif .
respiration
lol i just had an idea. since arsenal is so good at philanthropy and helping out in the community, couldn't jens go help out with that while he's waiting to be shipped out?

o and one reason people might be saying lehmann for penalties was germany 06 argentina v. germany. you can't doubt that that penalty performance by him was top notch. but then again, he did have the paper in his sck telling him which way each player would shoot. meh.
AdebaYOMOMMA
I remember Almunia was the hero for a few shootouts in a Carling Cup a few years ago, once against Doncaster and I can't remember the other one. I can't recall him saving any in-match penalties. Jens saved that one against Villareal and won the shootout against Argentina.

I'd say Jens is better at saving penalties, but only just.
Wengermania
i seem to prefer fabianski than almunia he conviced me more with his performance against blackburn especially thats freekick shot he kept hold on to
Yoda.
QUOTE(Wengermania @ Dec 22 2007, 12:51 AM) *
i seem to prefer fabianski than almunia he conviced me more with his performance against blackburn especially thats freekick shot he kept hold on to

The only thing that let him down on the night was the bad defending for the 2nd blackburn goal.

We should of won that game in the full 90 minutes anyway. The 1st blackburn goal was clearly offside.
Draemanx
QUOTE(Habby @ Dec 21 2007, 09:48 PM) *
I remember Almunia was the hero for a few shootouts in a Carling Cup a few years ago, once against Doncaster and I can't remember the other one. I can't recall him saving any in-match penalties. Jens saved that one against Villareal and won the shootout against Argentina.

I'd say Jens is better at saving penalties, but only just.

For me, it's not the quality of the teams that take penalty shoot-outs against Arsenal, it's the quality of the penalty kick. Riquelme's penalty wasn't struck well, but credit to Lehmann. I don't remember any in-match penalty saves by Almunia, but I rate his shoot-out presence. I feel more confident when he's in goal during those phases, he has better instincts and reactions than Lehmann, who has better command of the game.
Draemanx
Well, Lehmann was wrong. Almunia: match saver, and Spurs's heart-breaker. An expert penalty stopper.
House M.D
Last two EPL games was fantastic by Almunia

Bajan Gunner
oohhh yea...ammonia does it for the gunners again
zooronson
Are there any clubs out there who actual want Lehmann?

Anyway congratulations on Almunia for his fine performances especially that penalty save against Keane.
SkyGunner
Almunia made his ability known at the perfect game...so nice to see those Spurs fan say OOOhhhhh..lol
ThierryHenry14
Hmm this is tough. I like Almunia and he is improving. But i doubt he'll ever become a world class keeper. Jens is good, but is losing his mind. His temper is ridiculous. I think Fabianski is a good prospect though.

Is it just me or does Fabianski "flap" at a lot of corners and crosses?
Succesc.
Handling - Almunia.
Penalties - Jens.
Set pieces/corners - Almunia.

I don't know how Jens and Almunia are tied for this one. Lehmann's set piece decision making and box commanding last season was piss poor and the main reason we conceded so many set pieces. He was always causing a ruckus inside the penalty area and unsettling the defense. Like Spurs at WHL last season.
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It's one thing for an unknown teenager to make his name at Arsenal. But an unheralded goalkeeper in his early 30s? Manuel Almunia is certainly bucking the trend.

The Spaniard enhanced his reputation again on Saturday, saving Robbie Keane's penalty in the North London derby with the scores locked at 1-1 and just 18 minutes to play. Almunia's intervention was the catalyst for a memorable home win as Nicklas Bendtner soared highest to head home the winner.

The Dane, like so many others, arrived at Arsenal with bags of potential but little experience. Almunia, in sharp contrast, looked to have missed the boat when he was plucked from relative obscurity in the summer of 2004. As Celta Vigo's keeper, Almunia was farmed out on loan to Eibar, Recreativo Huelva and Albacete before Wenger took a chance on the then 27-year-old. It looks like the gamble has paid off.

"He came here without a CV but he has made a name for himself, which is not easy at a big club," said Wenger.

"We always knew he was good but we were asking ourselves: 'How can he become the goalkeeper for Arsenal?' He had not played in a big club before and he made a few mistakes but now he looks like he has gained confidence and everyone can see how good he is."

Almunia played second fiddle to Jens Lehmann for three long seasons before grasping his opportunity three games into the current campaign. Wenger believes that the Spaniard is under more pressure than most keepers because the man breathing down his neck has a stack of medals and international caps to his name.

But it's a sign of Almunia's progress that Wenger believes he is good enough to represent his adopted country when the Spaniard qualifies for English citizenship next year.

"Everyone makes mistakes - Reina, van der Sar, everyone," said Wenger. "But he [Almunia] was under more pressure than anyone else in the Premier League because he has been under pressure from an outstanding goalkeeper in Jens Lehmann.

"He has not only a lack of experience but someone behind him who is excellent and that is a tough test. If he has a bad game, he is under pressure to get back to form straight away because he knows who else we have. I don't know about Jens' remarks or not but he has had to deal with it. It's a double-pressure.

"That's the way of things when you are top-level sportsmen: the competition is very strong. It comes from within your camp and also from your opponents.

"I don't know why he hasn't been called up by Spain but all I would say is that England should take advantage of it and call him up."


Source: arsenal.com
Bajan Gunner
well . i guess mad jens is off then
American Gooner
I just rewatched Barcelona's goals in the CL Final.Ouch.I swear, if Almunia ever did that again, I don't know what I'd do.Let's hope if we're ever in another final,that doesn't happen again.
Titi the Legend
QUOTE(American Gooner @ Jan 13 2008, 12:15 PM) *
I just rewatched Barcelona's goals in the CL Final.Ouch.I swear, if Almunia ever did that again, I don't know what I'd do.Let's hope if we're ever in another final,that doesn't happen again.


almunia was shit in that game .. seriously .. but lucky for us he is getting better
francophile16
Don't mean to bring up a somewhat dead thread, but hey its the keeper thread!

Anyways, I was jsut watching this vid and I forgot how good Lehmann was during the WC. He saved Germany who knows how many times against Italy. Couldn't rly do anything about the 2 goals either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXBVvg9u8qI...feature=related

I'm personally glad he has stayed. I think he still has plenty to offer.
Calumniatory
Lehmann's still a quality 'keeper. In my opinion, there's not much between him and Fabianski, but he'd still edge it with consistency (bar a few blunders) and experience. I reckon he'll stay for a while.
Ģéneral
What worries me about Manuel is he seems to man his lines precariously by leaving a big gap in line with the wall during set pieces. Butt nearly scored with that free kick in the league against Newcastle for the same reason. I’m not sure if anyone’s noticed this but he’s very naïve in that aspect.

If Mad Jens gets a run out and doesn’t get involved any mêlées as he often does, then I’d be happy to see him continue till the end of the season. He’s still a quality keeper but his stupid antics just unsettle the back four. If anything, I hope his stint on the bench has thought him a lesson.

American Gooner
"Stint" on the bench?So he's number one now?
Ģéneral
QUOTE(American Gooner @ Feb 10 2008, 02:53 AM) *
"Stint" on the bench?So he's number one now?


Almunia is injured I believe so Lehmann will 'take between the sticks' against Blackburn. He may well keep his place till the end of the season, who knows!
Bak
I hope Lehmann does keep his spot. Almunia's shot stopping has been great this season, but his positioning in too many situations is still a cause of concern to me tbh.
Yoda.
I want Almunia to remain number 1 for the simple reason that since he has became number 1, our defense has been a lot better. The back 4 all know when to pass it back to him and all are confident in him. Now the confidence in Jens Lehmann is dead as far as im concerned from the back 4. They just don't trust him enough IMO.
     
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