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Carlo Gambino
ATTENTION: Please keep discussion strictly related to Alves and/or Maicon, no other RB, theres plenty of other threads where you can waste your opinion

Introduction

A debate sure to start civil wars in remote areas of Brazil,Milan,Seville and in some cases Sydney, this has emerged as one of the most interesting and unusual battles over the last couple of years.

In the Blue corner, the current Inter and Brazilian RB; Maicon
In the Red corner, the monster from Seville, Daniel Alves




Inter Milan Defender
Height: 1.84m.
Weight:
77.00kg.
Nationality: Brazil
Born: 26/07/1981 in Criciuma


Honours of Maicon

  • 2004 Copa America winner (Brasil)
  • 2005 Confederations Cup winner (Brasil)
  • 2006 Italian SuperCup winner (Inter Milan)
  • 2007 Serie A Champions (Inter Milan)
  • 2007 Italian Cup Finals (Inter Milan)
QUOTE
Inter Milan's Maicon plays down "world best" tag
tribalfooball.com - December 07, 2007

Inter Milan star Maicon has played down claims from coach Roberto Mancini that he is "the world's best fullback"."It is wonderful for me to hear these words from someone who has done so well in Serie A and knows it inside out," said Maicon. "I still have a lot to learn. I have put it into my head that I am strong and will try to prove that on the field to help the team achieve the best possible results."

It was another Brazilian who convinced Maicon to come to Inter, although the one giving the advice may now have changed his mind.

"I thank Adriano, as he is a great friend. He explained to me what the club and the team were like. He also told me to do really well in training, as that is what makes you a first team player," Maicon told Sky Italia.

"I am not the only one who misses him, as all the squad, the club and fans miss Adri too. He is a great player."



Maicon plays down "worlds best" tag




FC Séville Midfielder
Height: 1.71m.
Weight:
64.00kg.
Nationality:
Brazil
Born: 06/05/1983 in Juazeiro

Honours of Daniel Alves
  • 2006 UEFA Cup winner (FC Séville)
  • 2006 European SuperCup winner (FC Séville)
  • 2007 UEFA Cup winner (FC Séville)
  • 2007 League Cup winner (FC Séville)
QUOTE
Seville's Daniel Alves is still widely regarded as the best full back in the world and he wants to play in the Premier League, although the quoted £20m price would need to come down before we're tempted.

Alves regarded worlds best

The debate

Im hoping this will generate some interesting discussion because imo its much more interesting then half the threads in this section and hopefully alot of brazilian fans will add to it.

OK iv briefly outlined their careers/honours and a news article each to emphasise the thread question.

Daniel Alves-I knew him from the 03-04 edition of CM laugh.gif and he was a straight out gun player, a bargain from his childhood club Bahia, from then on in reality ofcourse hes shot to world class status almost deservadely with consistently high performances which have transformed Sevilla into one of the powerhouses of Spanish football. A classical attacking right back much in the mould of his Brazilian compatriot Cafu, his dribbling, pace, tackling and presence really stand out in comparison to many other fullbacks. Brazili have a habit of producing exciting fullbacks and Alves is no different.

One of his standout performances was the UEFA cup annihilation of Middelsborough where he completly owned Stewart Downing and restricted him to a metre of space everytime he would get the ball. Another bonus to his game is his free kicks, hes scored quite a few in his time in La Liga, one a brilliant peacher against Barcelona.

His Brazil career has failed to emulate his club performances, where he has been overshadowed by Maicon and to an extent Cicinho in the NT. Often played out of position by Dunga, sometimes as a winger or attacking right midfielder, he hasnt looked the same, and as a result has been out of the frame for Brazil and restricted to late 10min appearances of the bench as of late. Many have argued that his defending isnt up to the standard of his attacking abilities, but that is the sacrafice you have to make when making those dazzling runs up the right side.

Maicon-One of the true unsung heroes of the italian giants; Inter Milan, he made a few people scratch their heads when he arrived from Monaco in 2006. After a successful preseason he did what no other player could do, the impossible; he made the RB position his own. For over a decade, the great captain Javier Zanetti had been indispensable in that RB position and regarded as one of the best ever fullbacks. But this proved to be a blessing in disguise, with Mancini moving the argentinian into a midfield role and excelling just like his old position.

Maicon's style is very similar to that of Alves, his attacking qualities stand out from the rest and he has added another dimension to Inters attack. His crossing and dribbling have been a major highlight, Ibrahimovic can sure thank him for many of his goals. His strength is another highlight and many times hes stood in for his little teamates such as Cordoba.

Many say Alves is the better player but i owe that assumption to the fact that hes exposed more then Maicon and being in La Liga helps that. IMO there both very equal, but because Maicon is at Inter and seeing him grow so much since he first arrived, i consider him indispensable and wouldnt swap him for any other defender because of his physical and mentality qualities he brings to them.

Hes made the Inter and Brazil RB position his own, and as of today, hes made 46 appearances for the Selecao scoring 3 times. For Inter hes made 43 appearances scoring 3 times and over 10 assists...

Post smile.gif

tonyloo
Maicon! His attitude is far better than Alves's, he always puts the team first. Alves can be very egoistic and has a very bad temper. He makes alot of dumb tackles. He can be very nonchalant with the ball in dangerous positions and gives away the ball because of this. Maicon is a better overall football player.

Offensively they are pretty equal but Maicon is alot stronger and its almost impossible to take the ball away from him, he just glides past defenders.
Michael Carrick
Maicon for me. As "tonyloo" said, he's a lot stronger than Alves and has a fantastic attitude. Alves is great going forward but his defending at times is on he poor side. Loses possession of the ball easily too, he has to improve to reach Maicon's level.
Jamesbh11
It's just difficult to choose as they have different advantages to each other.

Alves is better in attack (with pace, great crossing and passing, dribbling skills and powerful shots)

While Maicon is a more robust (complete) right back, as he is better than Alves in defense and also good in attack.
Carlo Gambino
QUOTE(Jamesbh11 @ Dec 11 2007, 11:32 AM) *
It's just difficult to choose as they have different advantages to each other.

Alves is better in attack (with pace, great crossing and passing, dribbling skills and powerful shots)

While Maicon is a more robust (complete) right back, as he is better than Alves in defense and also good in attack.

Yer i dig that...Thats what makes it such an interesting discussion there both world class who are near clones of each other, it would be good if Brazil could use both of them effectively..
Supreme Power
Maicon is better defensively and offensively. Players like Alves, Cinho are only good offensively.
Kaka10725
QUOTE(Supreme Power @ Dec 11 2007, 01:20 AM) *
Maicon is better defensively and offensively. Players like Alves, Cinho are only good offensively.


I agree Maicon can attack and defend effectively. Both are world class though but maicon wins it for me.
Gol-zalo Higuaín
alvese is not as good defensivly but when they both go foward maicon tends to leave his position more exposed. but maicon get foward alot more than alves.

i think it more in your preference. alves is more of a creative player, he alvays seems to be looking for the perfect pass but alves is a scrappy defender while maicon he has the physical pressence, and has very good dribling abilities and a very good cross defensivly there isn't much to say, he's good and very consistant too.

I don't know maicon very well so i don't know how much you value my opinion.

p.s. you cant compaire alves to cicinho offensivly, alves is not known for his overlaps and wide runs. he made his name from cutting in the middle and giving a sublime defense splitting pass.
Carlo Gambino
QUOTE(Gol-zalo_Higuaín @ Dec 13 2007, 01:25 PM) *
alvese is not as good defensivly but when they both go foward maicon tends to leave his position more exposed. but maicon get foward alot more than alves.

i think it more in your preference. alves is more of a creative player, he alvays seems to be looking for the perfect pass but alves is a scrappy defender while maicon he has the physical pressence, and has very good dribling abilities and a very good cross defensivly there isn't much to say, he's good and very consistant too.

I don't know maicon very well so i don't know how much you value my opinion.

p.s. you cant compaire alves to cicinho offensivly, alves is not known for his overlaps and wide runs. he made his name from cutting in the middle and giving a sublime defense splitting pass.

Nice analysis and for the record, your opinion is much valued smile.gif
Virtuoso
I think both are great players. I'd say that Alves is better offensively IMO, but only by a little. However, defensively I'd give the edge to Maicon.
Super Pibe #7
Maicon and Alves is a pretty difficult argument.

Alves is probably a better RB than Maicon imo. Maicon is a beast and is solid in all aspects of his game. Which is probably the reason why Dunga has chosen to play him over Alves.

People seem to think Alves is poor at defending, because he goes forward so much. Defensively he is very good, and most wingers find it very difficult to beat him, since he is very aggressive. The reason why it looks like he is a poor defender is because he leaves gaps behind when he is going forward.

For Sevilla it is alright, since Navas is ready for any counter attacks on that side if they lose the ball and Poulsen covers the right side when he moves forward. But for Brazil Dunga doesn’t believe that their should be such high costs when you have someone like maicon who can do a solid job.

Brazil are very attacking, and Dunga tries to repress Alves’s runs on the right when I’ve seen him play as RB for them. That is taking a lot of his game, since his attacking abilities is immense.

It really depends on the sides that they are in. Alves is one of Sevilla’s most important players and orchestrates most of their attacks on the right. I doubt he would be allowed to do that for a big club and that’s where I think he might fail. Whilst Maicon has great strength and his all around game is good which allows him to force the issue on the right compared to alves who will always want the ball before he gets into his rhythm.

Alves has really been the reason for Sevilla’s recent success and I would honestly chose him over Maicon. Maicon isn’t bad, but who wouldn’t want a right back who gets 16 assists and has the most assists in the league.
Peace
QUOTE(Super Pibe #7 @ Dec 19 2007, 10:43 PM) *
Alves has really been the reason for Sevilla’s recent success and I would honestly chose him over Maicon. Maicon isn’t bad, but who wouldn’t want a right back who gets 16 assists and has the most assists in the league.

But don't you think a right back needs to have balance in his game, whilst he should be affluent in attacking he should equally be a good defender, this is where Maicon is superior to Alves. He has the right balance in what he does, he doesn't leave as many gaps, if any, as Alves does. Brazil thrive on attacking, so it's important for them not to get found out defensively which is why Dunga probably prefers Maicon to Alves.

Alves IMO would make a much better right winger than he would a right back, people wouldn't question his defending as much, his work ethic is fantastic as well, so there wouldn't really be too much of a problem.
Super Pibe #7
QUOTE(Peace. @ Dec 19 2007, 10:58 PM) *
But don't you think a right back needs to have balance in his game, whilst he should be affluent in attacking he should equally be a good defender, this is where Maicon is superior to Alves. He has the right balance in what he does, he doesn't leave as many gaps, if any, as Alves does. Brazil thrive on attacking, so it's important for them not to get found out defensively which is why Dunga probably prefers Maicon to Alves.


I actually do, but Alves does have a decent balance between his attacking and defensive duties. Maicon also attacks a lot, and leaves spaces behind and that is the case with most attacking right backs. R.Carlos,Cafu,Marcelo,Cicinho,Maxwell haha see a pattern with the Brazilian fullbacks. The only full backs that I have seen that are good going forward and don’t leave major gaps is Zanetti,Zambrotta,Evra(his tackling etc is actually very similar to alves).

I honestly think too much fuss is made about Alves defensive abilities. I don’t think he is weak defensively, and all it takes is a good coach to tell him when to go forward and when to stay back. But I doubt that would happen, since for example at Chelsea they would tell him to get forward as much as possible and ask Essien/Mikel to cover him. I stated that it mainly depends on the sides that they are in. Hence the reason that Alves isn’t able to get into the brazilian side, since they need a lot more security at the back.

QUOTE(Peace. @ Dec 19 2007, 10:58 PM) *
Alves IMO would make a much better right winger than he would a right back, people wouldn't question his defending as much, his work ethic is fantastic as well, so there wouldn't really be too much of a problem.


I honestly think he would look average as a winger. He doesn’t have great dribbling abilities and not the greatest pace. He relies on his great crossing and creative skills.

r9nigol
"I thank Adriano, as he is a great friend. He explained to me what the club and the team were like. He also told me to do really well in training, as that is what makes you a first team player," Maicon told Sky Italia


made me laugh.



i'll like alves, but i sure go for maicon. he really impressed me since he arrived here from monaco
pico32
QUOTE(Super Pibe #7 @ Dec 20 2007, 12:43 AM) *
Alves has really been the reason for Sevilla’s recent success and I would honestly chose him over Maicon. Maicon isn’t bad, but who wouldn’t want a right back who gets 16 assists and has the most assists in the league.

People thinks that Maicon can not attack but he is very good at attacking and he always scores/assists, but Alves is better in attack. At defense u could replace the last statement as Maicon is better.

so finally who would u chose for a Right Back position
A player who is good in attack and very good in defense (Maicon) or a player who isvery good in attack and good in defense (Alves)?
chef barca
so everyone is pretty much agreed that they're both great players offensively and defensively...alves is alittle better with his crosses, long range power shooting and freekicks and maicon is the more sound and steady defending. so all things being equal I'd take alves based on his tenacity, I think if his own grandma were running with the ball at him, he'd chop her down without a moments thought of a yellow.gif . he plays rough and he get's fired up out there and I think his team feeds off that spirit and energy.
Barryisland
Got to be Maicon for me, I had the pleasure of seeing him in a pre-season friendly at White Hart Lane *Spits* before he'd made his competitive debut and he was stunning, after that day I said to my friends that he'd displace Javier Zanetti from the Inter side, which is no mean feat and sure as hell he has proven me right. He's just the most perfect full back you will ever find, he gets forward so much so that he is infact one of Inter's most potent attacking weapons but very rarely gets caught out defensively, the guy must have a few more extra lungs given the amount of work he gets through on his right wing. Strong in the tackle, good in the air, quick, strong, has immense stamina and that's before you get to his ability on the ball. Alves is certainly very good at taking players on but Maicon is just as good and more often than not whips in a dangerous ball.

At Monaco Maicon took some beastly free kicks too, he's got that side of his game as well.
Messifan
Daniel Alves for me is simply the best wing back in the world and by some distance.Maicon is also a very good player but hes not on Alves's level.Brazil are very lucky to have two great right backs and another good one in Rafinha but they have no good left backs lol
     
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