Who are they?
Argentina's capital Buenos Aires is home to this incredible derby.

It's a time when the 'people's team' and 'the millionaires' come together with defeat unthinkable for the passionate fans!

The match is always an unforgettable experience, with a sea of colourful flowing banners, screams and roars, chanting, dancing and never-ending fireworks.

Boca and River are Argentina's biggest football clubs and they have dominated the national championship for the last 70 years.

More than half of the country's football fans support one of these clubs.

They have produced some of the world's greatest players, from Diego Maradona and Alfredo di Stefano to Gabriel 'Batigol' Batistuta and Marcelo Salas.

Oh, and Juan Pablo Angel of Villa is a River Plate old boy as well.

Both clubs formed in a Buenos Aires area called the La Boca, but in 1938 River Plate earned their 'millionaires' nickname after moving to the affluent Nunez neighbourhood.

Boca remained and became known as the people's team, with the majority of fans coming from the local Italian immigrant community.

So what about the rivalry?

The game is called the 'Superclasico'.

The red and white of River versus the blue and yellow of Boca and the two sets of fans really don't like each other!

Boca fans refer to River supporters as 'gallinas' (chickens) because they think River are afraid of everything!

And then the River fans hit back by calling their rivals 'los puercos' (pigs) because their stadium is located in a poor Boca area and is said to smell most of the time!

The rivalry is more about class and money, with River Plate's support traditionally coming from the high-fliers in the Buenos Aires society.

And the Boca supporters tend to come from the working classes and migrant communities.

damn!!

would someone please delete this thread, i was about to make a thread about this but then i realised that Madridista already has alot of the information in another thread.

thanks

Acutally I wanted to reply to it...

I think that the rivalary that Boca and River share is one of the most known. And like you said eevrytime they play wether it is a friendly or for a championship match players are told that they can loose against ANY team EXCEPT their rivals....

In Mexico "El Superclasico" is Chivas-America and it is similar to the rivalary that River and Boca share although for different reasons.

Maradona, don't trip. The more INFO, the better. I apreciate what you are really doing.

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BOCA JUNIORS

Founded: April 3, 1905

Ground: Camilo Cichero, "La Bombonera" ("The Chocolate Box")

Capacity: 60,245 people

Pitch Dimensions: 105 x 70 m

hey great post, enjoyed reading it

RIVER PLATE

Founded: May 25, 1901

Ground: Antonio Vespucio Liberti, "El Monumental" ("The Monumental")

Capacity: 76,687 people

Pitch Dimensions: 105 x 70 m

I play CM and always wondered why River is known as 'the millionaires'...

Now I understood...Thanks...

I dunno who i prefer...but rivers gk constanzo..is like one of my faves

Orhh... now i know it..

hey, thanks for your detailed explaination!!!

Appreciated it.

Boca all the way!

nice topic...

VAMOS RIVER

sort of like Palmeiras vs. Corinthians

do you guys remember the riquelme goal in this fixture a few years back. That was qulaity, and his well nice nutmeg. man, riquelme should be up there playing the way he did for boca. shame

How much rivalry is their between the fans for this game. I consider to be the biggest club game in the world for rivalry, maybe just pipped by Barca vs Real.

Boca vs. River games are the biggest, and most passionate Rivarly games in the world! None are better than these. I know, because I have been to one, Boca vs. River 98, Boca 2- River 1 in Boca Stadium.

World Soccer dubbed Boca vs River games the best in the world.

That has to mean something considering the Euros are actually giving them credit.



Aguante BOCA!


David

What is the atmosphere like? I would love to go to one of these games. Do you know where i can get any pictures of the fans from these games ????

VAMOS RIVER!

I have always prefered River Plate. I dont know why, i just took a liking to them ahead of Boca. My favourite Argentinian side is Argentinos Juniors, we bought Julio Arca from there .

Its ok buddy, you just like River just because they are same colors as your team. Perhaps one day you will see the Error of your ways.

As far as River is concerned, I respect them as a team. They play great ball, have great players, but they are not passion like Boca is.

Boca is all heart, and will not let anything get in their way. Which is why they have more International Championships than River does. Its ok though....


David

La Mitad Mas UNO

hell, i like them both. stated why many times before here but i prefer Boca.

i dont have a problem with any one of the two.. like them both but boca goes a bit ahead in my preference..

the atmosphere is incredible.. and most of the times the passion boils over resulting in 1-3 red cards per game..

There was one last year where there were alot of red card. Fogrot which one, think i was in the copa lib .

Yes, I think you are right. I believe it was a Copa Libertadores game and I recall there being many red cards. Game ended like 9 against 8 or something?

Those games (Libertadores ones) were damn vicious but exciting!

Gallardo went nuts and ripped (literally tore skin off of) the face of Abbondanzieri!

So brutal that even before they played they (CSF) decided that each stadium would only have supporters of the home team. No away fans were allowed in, all this to try and stop possible (if not expected) crowd violence.

That is PURE passion baby!

Or just outright insanity

Yeah that is the one i am thinking about. Does anyone know where i can buy this game on DVD or video or download it?!?

monkeys.. what do you think.. we cant know from that statement of yours if that is passion or insanity..

I'd say BOTH, especially in that Libertadores game...

hehehe.

Exactly... the answer is "both"

Good catch Josh

does any1 care about other teams in Argentina exept for RiverPlate and Boca Juniors???? cuz i never hear anything about other teams

I would watch games with other teams but they rearly show them.

Fox Sports World has all the Apertura goals and highlights Thursday night around 8/9:00 pm, keep an eye out if you're intrested.

Actually, that's a very good point.

I get the feeling that only the fans "living next to those other clubs" really love those clubs.

Once you get out of Argentina, fans are either Boca or River. Mostly because that's all they hear about.

But if one looked at history, the other teams are bigger than we think (not huge, but atleast they win the league more regularly than we think). Indepdiente, San Lorenzo, Racing and Estudiante were pretty darn good in the past and some are still decent today.

Alot of people think the Argentinian league is PURELY Boca/River but it's not. However, it is MOSTLY Boca/River though.

ARGENTINA PREMIER LEAGUE

YEAR-------WINNER----------- -----------RUNNER-UP

1931----- Boca Juniors---------- -------San Lorenzo de Almagro
1932------River Plate------------------- Independiente
1933------San Lorenzo------------------Boca Juniors
1934------Boca Juniors------------------Independiente
1935------Boca Juniors----------------- Independiente
1936----- River Plate------------------- San Lorenzo
1937----- River Plate------------------- Independiente
1938----- Independiente--------------- River Plate
1939----- Independiente--------------- River Plate
1940----- Boca Juniors----------------- Independiente
1941----- River Plate------------------- San Lorenzo
1942----- River Plate------------------- San Lorenzo
1943----- Boca Juniors----------------- River Plate
1944----- Boca Juniors----------------- River Plate
1945----- River Plate------------------- Boca Juniors
1946----- San Lorenzo----------------- Boca Juniors
1947----- River Plate------------------- Boca Juniors
1948----- Independiente--------------- River Plate
1949----- Racing Club------------------ River Plate
1950----- Racing Club------------------ Boca Juniors
1951----- Racing Club------------------ Banfield
1952----- River Plate------------------- Racing Club
1953----- River Plate------------------- Velez Sarsfield
1954----- Boca Juniors----------------- Independiente
1955----- River Plate------------------- Racing Club
1956----- River Plate------------------- Lanus
1957----- River Plate------------------- San Lorenzo
1958----- Racing Club------------------ Boca Juniors
1959----- San Lorenzo----------------- Racing Club
1960----- Independiente--------------- River Plate
1961----- Racing Club-------------------San Lorenzo de Almagro
1962----- Boca Juniors----------------- -River Plate
1963----- Independiente---------------- River Plate
1964----- Boca Juniors------------------ Independiente
1965----- Boca Juniors------------------ River Plate
1966----- Racing Club------------------- River Plate
1967----- Independiente---------------- Estudiantes La Plata
1968----- Velez Sarsfield--------------- River Plate
1969----- Boca Juniors------------------ River Plate
1981----- River Plate-------------------- Argentinos Juniors
1982----- Boca Juniors------------------ Ferro Carril Oeste
1983----- Estudiantes La Plata---------- Independiente
1984----- Independiente---------------- San Lorenzo
1985----- Argentinos Juniors------------ Ferro Carril Oeste
1986----- River Plate--------------------- Newell's Old Boys
1987----- Rosario Central--------------- Newell's Old Boys
1988----- Newell's Old Boys------------- San Lorenzo
1989----- Independiente----------------- Boca Juniors
1990---- River Plate---------------------- Independiente


A lot of clubs are going through financial problems now so it’s hard for them to contend for the title. Not 100% sure but I think the only clubs that make regular profits are Boca and River

Argentina"s primera division relegation system is drawn up in a way so that river and boca could never get relegated, its based on a point system, that benefits the bigger teams in a suspicious way. look into it! In order for the bigger teams to get relegated they would have to end last for like 6 seasons! Never GONA happer!!!

yeah i read about this once, was going to post the article but forgot about it. the previous three seasons are taken into account when deciding on relegation.

i'll have to find the article again and post it this time

i have many friends who are fans of independiente, racing, san lorenzo... it all comes down to your family and who they support (at least most of the time) - ver little to do with location

River is the greatest soccer team of argentina n' the richest one,boca its just a team that had luck playin the internationals cups n' winnin but if u do the math u would realize that river have won 32 locals aperturas n' clausuras(argentina's premier league)n' boca have won only 20,big difference dont u think,n' to be the greatst of the world u gotta bethe greatest of your country..and they aint
[B][FONT=Impact][SIZE=14]AGUANTE RIVER PAPA!!![COLOR=red]

Well succeding in copa libertadores must be rated as a bit better than succeeding in the league in my opinion since the teams are way more competitive in copa libertadores.

Is it only me who remembers last years semifinal in copa libertadores, it´s when you win those kind of matches it really proves which team who is the better.

Eltecla bold statements like these lead to arguments, I understand your passion, but please keep it clean.

this stinks i live in the USA so i cant see Boca play i dont get the TV Channels and my computer is slow so i cant see the highlights........

FOX soccer channel shows the argentinian league so if you can get that channel, you can watch boca play. I just watched them today and they drew 2-2. I miss tevez.

When boca has played river in past years whats their record against them?

i cant find it on the net

Boca seem to play especially well against River despite league position and form, most recently they played in Round 14 in the Clausara and won 2-1. If you look at this season though, Boca and River have both struggled. Neither are in the top 5 and Boca are way down in 15th. Boca are my team because of the Passion and the fans.

I like Boca, too! But despite the Copa Libertadores, I can't see much of them, because here in Germany we don't see the argentinian League. It's a shame that they do so poor now

well, I at least have heard a lot about other teams than River and Boca even though I'm not from Argentina, and that's kind of a stupid argument anyway, you can't say you're a boca fan or river fan if those are only teams you know in that league, I follow river how they do in league and cup games etc, I read news and try my best to study the history of argentinian football, In my eyes it's the most passionate country in football world. I've tried my best to research lots of information about other teams also, but 'cause I don't speak spanish it's quite difficult, but at least you just can't say that I've chosed one because it's the only I had heard of. Oh and if anyone has more info about San Lorenzo add me on MSN I have few questions..

tommijokinen@hotmail.com

River all the way.. Enzo, Aimar, Sivori and lots of more great heroes

woooow the realy calsico in this match

i cannot wait the match


i think river winer .. espicaly gaston fernadez he will destroy boca lol

I like River.


Vamos River.

AGUANTE RIVER CARAJO!!!!!!!

from Argentina


boca no existis.......amargos!!!!

Found a great video online (in English). A documentary of the Boca/River rivalry.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...juniors&pl=true

Haha, i been living in Argentina for the past 25 years (all my life) and i can tell you this is not very accurate. I didn´t know we call "puercos" to Boca supporters!! (because we don´t). Oh well, it could be worse i guess....