why do people hate totti.......i know for spitting and flickin off the camera but thats doesnt make him like a freak or whatevr

i dont hate him, his my fav italian player, i even want to buy a totti shirt from roma

mybe people criticis him alot because his a bit agressive with other players, some times he acts bad on the pitch

yea i'm a big fan of him i got his jersey, t shirt, and i'm getting his cleats

the only reason i can think of people might hate him is b/c he spat on a player which kicked him out of the euro which did hurt the team

I have never liked Totti. Ever. I don't necessarily like players who mouth off and act like imbeciles. The spitting incident was just the tip of the iceberg. He isn't even that great of a player.

I don't hate him. I just get disappointed with his lack of discipline on the pitch at times. It's a real struggle to defend alot of his behaviour.

I like Totti, one of my favourite players. And Dom, with raw talent...noone in Italy comes close to him. It's just his lack of discipline and his cocky attitude why people dislike him.

Compare Totti and Cassano. They are very similar charachters on the field. Very argumentative, make silly fouls and that type of crap...

Off the field Totti is a passionate Romano and Romanista, Cassano is not. Cassano has slid through a whole season and not really done much but whine and complain, but I dont see the thread for why people hate him so much. Just that should speak volumes.

Totti is very hated because of what he represents more than what he does. Thats why you find people downplaying the great things he does on and off the field and exaggerating the bad things.

People always hated the man just for bringing Roma out of the doldrums. They just use his attitude as an excuse.

And thats the fact, Jack.


Youre full of it.

AGREED...

A great player is one who leads his team to places they have never been before. Zidane is a great player. So was Pele, Van Basten, Maradona, Platini, Boniperti, Paolo Rossi, Baresi, Maldini.

All those players have led their teams to greatness at one point or another. Rossi with Italy in '82, Van Basten with Milan in '89-'92 etc. What has Totti won? One Scudetto. One. In the meantime he's had quite the teams with him. With Batigol, Montella, Cassano, Del Vecchio, Tommasi, Di Biago, Emerson, Zebina, Samuel. As captain, Totti is expected to lead his team and he failed miserably. And what has he done that is so great with the national team? NOTHING.

Prove why you think Totti is such a legend or fuoriclasse. I've already proved my point.

Yeah I agree with you Dom.

I think he`s a good player, full of talent..but he`s not great, and doesn`t even come near the deffiniton of a legend.

Anyway, I always hated him..it started with my friend from Spain who thought she was hot and talked about him 24/7..and it got annoying--to the spitting, the stomping..and everything alse innapropriate that he`s done on the field.

I can`t stand his attitude and anger, and for that, I can`t like him. Personally, I think he`s an idiot and pushes his limits too much. I don`t think his attitude helps Roma in any way, and I don`t buy any excuses for his actions.

You didnt prove shit.

I intentionally took a big chunk of my post out before so that you could say this trash and i could end you.

Totti is a fucking legend. For Romanistas Totti stands along with Conti, Giannini, Pruzzo, Di Bartolomei, Amadei, Falcao etc. as LEGENDS. He is the Clubs top scorer all time, and most likely will finish his career as the player who has represented roma the most times.

Legend on the world stage, no. But who ever said he was one?



In my original post i was going to point out that had Totti left Roma, lets say in 97 or 98 when he was just about coming to fame, Roma would be right where he found them. In 5th-10th.

The only reason that Roma assembled a team able of winning anything and got a coach to take them to a trophy was due to the fact that Totti stayed.

They assembled that team due to and around Totti's genious, and Totti was never outshined on the team. He not only held his own, but showed himself to be more important than players like Cafu and Batistuta who are world renowned. He was always THE MAN. Thats the fact. Like it or leave it. You will probably go on to say some crap like "any good player could have done it".. but i challenge you to name ONE other player in the last 10 years of Serie A football that has had an effect for his team like Totti has had for Roma.

So, like I said, youre full of it. Since the turn of the millenium no italian player can touch Totti. Hes not great like Maradona or Pele, but if that gives you the right to talk shit about him night and day then youre full of it.

And further, by your definition of great "one who leads his team to places they have never been before" - guess what? Totti qualifies, due to what I just posted. So... youre full of it. Totti led Roma to the scudetto, 8 years earlier when he debuted they had no chance of this.



Quite the team my ass.

..Batigol is class. Maybe if he had one more decent season in him Roma would have also won in 2002.

..Montella played a big role as well. But he is neither consistent or great.

..Cassano. If you think about it, he has had one better than average season with Roma. He also was not a part of the scudetto.

..Delvecchio is a good role player, but never better than that. Good servant to Roma.

..Tommasi is class, a big part of the winning formula we had.

..Di Biagio is and was not that great a player. If memory serves me correctly he wasnt even a roma player when we won.

..Emerson played very little in the scudetto season. After that was a good player for us.

..Zebina is crap, if you ask most Roma fans what was the weakest link on the side for many years they would point at his ugly ass. If you ask Juve fans for the same this year, its him.

..Samuel is class.

Then if you add players like Zago, Guigou, C. Zanetti, Nakata etc... you realise that Roma in 2000-2001 when they won just did not have that great a sqaud talent wise. And after that we were always thin as well. We just had plodders for the most part. So how in fucks name did we win? We had that one element that put everything together. Take a guess who it was.

That team without Totti would win nothing. Was Totti the ONLY reason we won? Of course not, its a team game. But he was the main reason. Nobody on that team can touch him, not Batistuta, not Montella, not Samuel, not friggin Zebina.

He had at most 2 other players on that team that can be called "great" by your definition. Cafu and Batistuta. Cafu's other successes were never on teams where he was even in the 4 best players, and Batistuta only won with Roma.

Its not Totti's fault that after the Scudetto season Montella was alienated by Capello, Batistuta lost form, Cassano wasnt ready yet and Zebina was still crap.

That is a poor attempt to devalue how well Totti has played over the past few seasons. Thats like me saying that Juve failed last year because Del Piero is a dead horse. Hes not the only one on the team.


Try again.

yea GREAT TEAMS WHO DO GREAT THINGS have great players.......Totti just has him and a handful of guys on the team that are quality players to win cups and leagues.......Totti is great but he needs a great team to win...

I have no problem with Totti. I think he is a legend for the romanistas, still a lot short of being a worldwide great. I have even condoned people like maradona and cantona for their actions just because they have made the game what it is today. Totti's antics dwarf compared to those people. I just think he is immature for his age and stature. HOpe he changes soon.

Totti's the best player in the world. Ronaldinho is good too... But Totti is better.

The spitting incident though, and his commendable but pointless loyalty to Roma have doomed his carrier. Sucks.

If he was a Milan or Real player everyone would love him...

Totti is not a worldwide legend, but he is a legend for the romanistas. He has played for Roma since he was 12 years old and now he is THE CAPTAIN.
No doubt, he is the most talented player in Italy! ..Yes.. he has attitude problems, but NOBODY'S PERFECT!!!
Totti was the main reason we won the scudetto in 2001.

Totti led Italy to the EURO 2000 final!

Real Madrid is full of great players, but they haven't won anything for two years!

Bar Beckham Samuel and Gravesen, they all have at least one La Liga and one Champions League medal with Madrid.

Samuel has a Serie A title from the team we are on about with Totti, whos to say he wasnt the reason they won it as they havent been as good since he left.

Beckham has a ridiculuos line of Premiership, FA cups and yes a champions League to his name from United.

Gravesen has nothin really but he has only peaked and come onto the world stage recently. I can see Madrid next season doin better, especially if Perez has a rare outbreak of common sense.


As for the actual thread, i dislike Totti coz outside of Serie A he has done very little. He hardly led Italy to that Euro final as other players (Toldo, Fiore, Vieiri (i think he was the main striker at the time), Zambrotta and the usual host of defenders) all had very good tournaments as well.

I also especially remember one incident in the Champions Lge, i think against Liverpool, where Roma had been hoofing long balls up to him and he was getting beaten in the air all the time, so, still in the first half im sure, the next long ball that came up, Totti looked behind him and smashed the centre back in the face with an elbow. How do you respect a guy like that?

Stuff doesnt go his way and he throws a tantrum. He was always at that in Europe.

He was on the team in 2002-2003 that did worse than this. Totti CARRIED the team to eighth that year. Samuel was the heart of the defense. But Roma's defense was never water tight till last year when Chivu came in. Even when we won the scudetto, we leaked goals a lot.

The indisputable heart of and the leader of the team was and is Totti.



Fair points, Totti has not done much outside Serie A. No lie in that.

I would say that he was Italy's best attacking player in Euro 2000. He was also the best player in the Final, and was arguably their best overall player, but the defense was very good.

But the thing you wrote about Totti in the CL is flat out wrong. They were playing the Gooners for 1. Second, he didnt keep losing long balls, he kept getting hammered from the elbows of Campbell. Third he "attempted" to lash out at Campbell, and obviously never made contact. But the referree from a mile away decided he saw the incident clear enough, and using Campbell's girly antics and dramatic fall to the ground as a guide, sent Totti off. It was quite a shocker of a call, as Totti received far worse treatment the small time he was on.


But speaking of Euro 2000... why is it that no one on here remembers that Zambrotta got sent off in a very stupid way in the Semis? Just because we won that game?

Everyone blasts Totti because he is so irresponsible, he does what he wants, puts himself before the team. We could say the same about Zambrotta there. Why does Totti get all the hate, and Zambrotta slipped through? He picked up 2 yellows in like 30 minutes in that game... WTF? I could give you my opinions of why Totti is more remembered for the sending off in 2002 and the spitting, but I will wait for you guys to answer.

Come on, try me.


Edit: And the gooners still couldnt beat us, in highbury. But they smacked us around in Olimpico...

Zambrotta had that one incident and moved on. Totti continues to push the limits and tick people off. When was the last time Zambrotta did something that overshadowed his talents?




How about Maldini? Yes he did have quite the teams in front of him. But he has been there working his ass of for the past 22 years. He has been the main man in Milano ever since Baresi left, and has shone in the spotlight. He did what was needed to be done to win. Yes, he did have a couple incidents, but nothing along the lines of what Totti has done.

How about Beppe Bergomi with Inter? Up until his retirement in 99 I believe he led Inter to 1 Scudetto and numerous UEFA Cups. That's more than Totti has done.

Or how about Del Piero. Yes, I know he has not done anything national team wise but domestically his play has been phenomenal until his injury a few years back. He had always been a consistent goal scorer and led Juve to 4 CL finals, 1 win, countless Scudetto wins and even the Supercoppa Italiana. Yes, he's also had great teams with him but up until recently he shone above the rest. The magnificent goals, the stunning plays/passes, DP was and is the "bandiera". I cant deny that. Its just now he is not the same player and he deserves a chance to play elsewhere.

I give credit where credit is due. Totti did lead Roma to a Scudetto win. I can't deny the truth. But one win does not make a player great.



Juve had a lot of problems last year including a coach who knew he was done anyways. and DP has been a dead horse since the injury he suffered in Udine a couple years back.



BTW pharanque, Its about time the Ital forum had some decent discussions: Natasa, pharanque, Mutant, luca10, dreamlander, lets continue and the Ital forum will kick ass.

ppl just hate him cause he just gets sent off so many times and has some attitude problems......

i don;t hate him, i find him a talented player.... scored some gr8 goals this season.... and obviously thruout this career.....

its something similar to pires, he dived like once or twice and the rest of his "dives" are not dives as there was contact.... after the pompey game in 2003, ppl started to hate him cause he dives so much

But Totti recieved much more flack for his FIRST incident (2002) than Zambrotta ever recieved. Zambrotta's transgression was swept up under the carpet like it never happened. Never to be heard of again.

It must be a lot easier to move on if everyone else moves on, dont you think? Dont you think Totti would like to move on from the spitting crap, the 2002 red, etc etc, but he cant, because you guys hang it over his head every time he steps out to the field. You WANT him to fail, and prove he is a loose cannon. He is not, niether is Zambrotta. Its just you gave Zambrotta a second chance, and you didnt give Totti one.



Onto the players who had big effects on their team...

Maldini started out on a successful Milan team way before 94. True he has stayed successful, and I have respect for him, But Totti MADE Roma not only successful but respectable. They were not even contenders before Totti.

Del Piero, in my opinion was never the best player on Juventus. He was the one the fans loved, but he was never THE MAN in their team. Zidane and then Nedved have always outshined him, and before them Ravanelli and Deschamps. But thats just my opnion, and others will not agree, im sure.

Bergomi's Scudetto was before my specified time frame and so was the UEFA Cup win over Roma. Really, his era of dominance was over before 94. But he did still win another UEFA cup, but i think it was Ronaldo's team by then.


However those players play for Milan, Inter and Juve. Had they been sold, or never amounted to anything, Milan, Inter and Juve would still win. They would have went out and found the new Bergomi, new Del Piero or new Maldini and paid whatever they needed to get them. Thats where Totti beats them.

Totti stands alone as taking an unfashionable team to new heights. Maybe Bergomi could lay this claim too, as inter is less fashionable than Milan or Juve, but his time was before 94, and Inter always had resources to win, just not the luck. Totti's effect on Roma is greater than these players and their teams.

He deserves to be recognized as GREAT for reviving Roma, if not for winning a bag full of medals (which he still might do).

Pires has dived only once or twice??????!?!?!?!?!?!

i like totti hes a real great player maybe he is loosing his skill but he is getting older but i still like him hes a good player

We have given Totti numerous chances and we still do (we = Italians in general). The only thing is everytime someone gives him a chance, he screws up his reputation again. He constantly does something to tick people off. The red @WC 2002 wasn't his fault. It was that fag Byron Moreno the ref . But after that he started mouthing off, then he spat, then the jump on Ramelow, then more attitude, then the finger to the press etc etc etc. It's a neverending cycle.

Sometimes his behavious isn't professional. How can he be Roma's captain ? how can he be a leader ? But i think he has become better. It's been quite a few months since we heard anything bad about him haha !

Perception of Zambrotta never changed after. Thats the difference.

Zambrotta was forgiven and everthing was forgotten. We won the game, so why dwell on it? But with Totti we lost, and people were upset about losing. And even though he was absolved of complete blame because the ref was crap, everyone (more so internationally) still labelled him a flop, a diver and said he couldnt handle the pressure at the top. When to be fair, he was handling it pretty well up til then.

And in the aftermath, when it was rebuild time, many people (including Azzurri fans) never really wanted him to be on La Squdra. Everyone tolerated his presence, but would have preferred he was not there. As far as lots of people were concerned he was a proven flop.

So you didnt really give him any more chances. Whereas nobody gave a rats a*s about Zambrotta's mistake, we won, in backs to the wall, swashbuckling fashion. Whats to moan about?


And about the Ramelow stomp, im sure not many of you would have noticed that Ramelow came in two footed and studs up. That was a tackle to injure. And it wasnt the first of the day. Plus Ramelow is a dirtier player than Totti any day, and the devil.

If it was an unprovoked action the ref would have sent him off.

Its the same as the Beckham against Argentina incident with Simeone. He had to work for a full year under the radar, getting torrents of abuse from opposing fans. He gets blamed for that shoot out knock out when in fact there is more than just his sending off contributed to that.

Now after about a year and a half of just working hard, not mouthing off, spitting, elbowing, attempting to elbow people, he became Englands captain and became a national hero. Whether or not you like Beckham is irrelevant, but unlike Totti he acted professionally after that incident, whereas Totti assumed he should be instantaneously absolved of any responsability.

As for my facts on the Arsenal game, ok i may have remembered therm a little wrong but the fact is he still had the INTENT of lashing campbell in the face. As for the excuse you gave him (ie. being constantly elbowed in the back) every striker has to put up with it, this does not make it right but also it does not give Totti to attempt to take the law into his own hands.

Okay... so by your logic, Totti deserved to be sent off for intending to hit Campbell. But you spare no thought for the fact that Campbell should have been sent off long before, and the whole incident would never have happened. That was a bogus sending off. I never heard of anyone getting sent off for intent in my life. If you put in a horrible tackle from behind and miss by 4 feet should you get a yellow?


And Beckham's situation with England's national team was not quite as bad. Firstly, the heckling probably did not even last a year... while for Totti it still goes on to this day. Second, the English fans support their national players despite what club they support. So when Becks played for England again they supported him, despite not liking him.

But even when Totti plays well for Italy he is still not cheered on by all the fans.

Notice im not saying Totti's actions with Roma have always been exemplory after the fact.

But for Italy he has made only 1 major error in his career and his performances are always pretty good. He never assumed he should be absolved, he always says he intends to prove himself the correct way, on the field.

And beckham was no model of professionalism after the 98 world cup either, its just that he has done other things to redeem himself (eg. vs Greece). IMO you are twisting things a bit with that statement.


And also with this "mouthing off" crap... what are you talking about? On the field or off it? Because i dont think you could be talking about off the field.

Firstly if you miss a sliding tackle by 4 feet you shouldnt be playing football. Secondly at least a sliding tackle is 90 percent of the time an action to win the ball, but what part of the game does throwing an elbow back have to do with winning the ball. Also note i said "it doesnt make it right but it doesnt mean Totti can take the law into his own hands" with relation to Campbells elbowing. I agree with you on that fact. All defenders do it and it must be clamped down on.

As for the mouthing off, i meant he always seems to be complaining on the pitch when things go against him. Now i will give you, i dont know what he is saying but from his body language, it certainly doesnt look to be complimetary.

As for the redemption factor, yes Totti only made one mistake for Italy, but he has acted like an arrogant spoilt twat for Roma (which to be fair you acknowledge) at times since that day. But Beckham didnt put a foot wrong in that way even for united.

This Campbell and Totti thng, both players were wrong, but the referee messed it up worse by sending off Totti for what i believe was the lesser of the two evils. But forget that... we all know that they were both wrong.

Beckham didnt exactly stomp on anyone after 98, but i remember at least one time he put in a cruncher and got sent off... in some world club thing Man Utd was playing in. And there are others (sendings off), just i wont get into it, because im not sure of details.

The point is that he wasnt that much more professional. He had an opportunity to redeem himself and did. If beckham had never scored vs Greece or Argentina his legacy would still be the 98 incident. And rightly so. Same applies for Totti, but he has not had his chance for redemption yet.

And the fact that he acts like a twat for Roma should not mean that when representing his country he should be met with scorn.


And this thing about mouthing off during games is greatly exaggerated as well. He always makes his opinions heard, but i dont think he gets out of line. In fact I think the last time he got booked for dissent may have been vs. Milan last season when Shevchenko handled the ball in the box. Im probably wrong though.

yall say if stuff doesnt go his way he throws a tantrum.....but mostly all soccer players do that even the classy ones sometimes

Name a classy one who does that...over and over...

give me some thinkin time......i cant think of a particular person but all soccer palyers do complain....even maldini does and zidane who are the most classy palyers


plus Totti is treaded like Rasheed Wallace in the NBA people know his attitude so hes treated badly by refs and every1 b4 he does anything

Okay all people in general complain...but they don't throw tantrums, spit, start kicking people, etc.,..there's a big difference between complaining and what he does...HUGE! lol

Totti: great player but a horrible attitude

I dont think hes happy at Roma... The Roman organization is unorganized... when Zebina left for Juve he said that Juve was more strict...

IMO Totti should go to Milan and become a champion!!!

If he wants to become a champion he should go to Juve...and I could back that up with stars..**

He'll become a champ with the refs help

Don't cry, it shows weakness for your club!!
But all you people do is complain about Juve and refs...COMPLAIN...reminds me of something...Ah yes, TOTTI! WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

If Juve and Milan switched roles then i think youd do the same thing...

Hahaha. I agree Joe. Its ok. Let them cry, but Milanistas, leave some tears for the end of the season when Juve wins the CL and the Scudetto

Delirious!!!

if he really wanted to be a champion he would come to Boca Juniors

or celtic or Rangers.

nah hes to good for celtic and rangers.......

Too True

They will be tears of joy

i dont get why hes so dedicated to Roma....but its good to see a player who is true to his club

That is one thing i have always respected about Totti. He is s dedicated to Roma...tho i have a horrible feeling Roma Fans, that this summer will see the end of this partnership.

yea hopefully he'll stay but a stronger team will be built around him

He stays there because he can be an ass, and not be told anything. Totti basically runs the club, all the execs are his bitches.