Ok, to start off "at the moment" means this last year onwards.Im saying this so as not to have stats of previous years flying around and misunderstandings of dates just like we had at "the best striker today" topic.

For me the toss is between Capello and Mourinho. Both are similar in their game. Normally both get a goal and defend well. Both are winners. Since we are talking "at the moment" I cannot mention Capello with Roma or Real Madrid just like I cant mention Mourinho with Porto. So I am talking about their first season with Juve and Chelsea. Both delivered local glory with nearly the same style. I have to credit Mourinho for adapting the sort of "Italian game" (get a goal and defend) which he adapted whilst Capello's system is that of his own country. Very hard to choose for me but I think I would pick Capello but veryyyyy hard decision not to pick Jose.

I'd like your opinions guys.

pekerman,pelegrini,krajncar,mourinho

for the overall season i voted Mourinho BUT i would not forget Hiddink and Benitez for their impressive CL.

yeah hiddink and benitez too..but benitez does some strange things sometimes

1SAF 2Capello

Mourinho had/and having a good season but he bought many players and spent a lots of money. In transfer window, Chelsea has big advantage, fact is teams can buy players only if Chelsea does not want. He could cover his weakness to spend money and his job was much easier than other Managers.

Hiddink also had amazing season, but he lost many players and did not earned money for it.(Vogel and Bommel was free, Bouma, YPL,JSP was cheap)


SAF, last year wasn't good but looks like he solved problems that Man U had last year without spend big money. Especially if I consider that Man U is usually best at about end of the season..... EPL 3rd place last year, but played better than La Liga 3rd place away game(eventhough they tied).


Capello got Vieira, and it was bargain IMO especially his recent performance tells it(eventhough yesterday wasn't his day). He did not lose big players and won last game at CL as well, but lost against rival Milan during super cup and I think defensive line need to rebuild(little too old IMO) I'm not sure JUVE still may have good defensive record at the end of season.

I think negotiating and rebuilding squad is also important as teams performance IMO. so I think SAF and Capello is doing better(or harder work as same quality) than Hiddink and Mourinho.

capello is the best

Its Capello for sure ... Maurinho attituda is disgusting (that's why i exclude him) ... then comes rijkaard

i think capello is the best coach in the world .

i vote Capello he is ginius....and evry team he can chance in a winning team...so he is the best!

alan pardew

mourinho is so Arrogant, but he knows he is one of the best managers so i see why he is like that. but i voted for him cus he is just a great manager for actually getting chelsea 1st. without actually buying random players.

It's got be Capello, eh wins things wherever he goes and has made Juventus into the best team in the world imo

I think Luciano Spalletti is the best manager at the moment. Roma's 11 consecutive wins, a new Serie A record is tough to achieve and this season Spalletti has proved that he's a great manager.

How the hell did mancini, magath and luxemburgo get in the list ahead of hiddink?

What has mancini done to warrant his selection there?

Even though Mourinho has a horrible attitude I used to think he was the best manager out there. His ability to put together a well bonded team with star players was uncanny and he's a tactical genius. But lately with Chelsea's slide in form I'd have to say otherwise. A lot of his players have done little or nothing this season and some of his buys are flops (as in they haven't done what they have the potential to do or haven't been given enough time to warrant their huge transfer fees). Therefore I'd have to give this one to Capello. Juventus have played brilliantly (except for the Champions League game vs. Arsenal...) and Capello brings out the best in his squad.

Mourinho's stock is rapidly dropping

And

Wenger's stock is rapidly rising

Benitez.

At this moment in time? Arsene Wenger, without a shadow of a doubt.

Please, take out key defenders for most of the season and any team will struggle, yet somehow the team is gelling at the moment and looking set to hit the CL semi-finals. Not to mention the overall budget he works with, and the teams he's had to face in the knockout rounds. Real Madrid, Juventus?

Wenger has a good budget, better than most managers. Credit to him, but he's not the first one who has had to dig deep to get results in Europe.

Liverpool had injuries last season and had to play the likes of Mellor,La Tellec,Traore,Biscan,etc.. in the squad. Knocked out Bayer Leverkusen,Juventus and Chelsea in the process. Benitez won the Champions League in his first season with Liverpool.

How long has Arsene been at Arsenal and he's just now had a good season in Europe?

was going thru the juve forum on other sites and the italy juve fans r screaming like crazy for capello out of the club after the 0-0 game wif treviso . it seems like they haf been pretty piss off for not using DP for most thier games. oh ya and zaltan( out of the club that is ) too.

i voted for wenger. for his belive of this team during the season when things wasn't going so well . the media and sum fans blamed wenger n his youth policy . during jan transfer window he bought in even more youngster. now at this point of the season critics are praising wenger youth policy. and arsenal injury is just getting ridculous it seems like we are going to haf NO LB and RB players at all for the juve game . wif a.cole clichy lauren eboue out.

voted for wenger not only because i am abit bias and he really does has impressive result for the recent games. =] cheers

i think pellegrini, he is making a superb job in villareal

And had the question come up then, I would've said Benitez was the best manager. However, at this moment in time, Arsene Wenger is the best manager right now.

fergie is best.

Not at this moment.

It's a straight race between Wenger and Benitez. Wenger's team play brilliant football, Benitez's team play efficient football.

Both have had success in their careers, but I think the fact that Benitez could win the La Liga in his first season at Valencia, the Champions' League in his first at Liverpool and has managed through so many injuries and without a top striking force like Henry sets him through.

He's got more tactical nous as well.

I'm very surprised nobody has said Guus Hiddink. Given what he has had to work with at PSV he took them to the semi finals last year and the knockout stage this year, plus he took both Holland and SK to the semi finals of the world cup in succession, plus success at Real Madrid and i think Anderlecht, the guy is a master.

I'm suprisedo one has said rijkaard he's doing a fantastic job at barca who i'm sure are going to win the champions league.Fergie as we know is a legend and for me is the best manager of all-time.

Without a doubt it Jose Mourinho. How can you dismiss his impressive manegerial record just because he is arrogant

His record at the top level is decent, but not brilliant.

One Champions' League, One UEFA Cup, One Premiership in terms of major trophies.

I'd say Benitez is better. 2 Spanish La Liga titles, One Champions' League title, One UEFA Cup, and soon an FA Cup.

Right now, it's Wenger. We've won 4 Premiership games in a row scoring 14 goals and conceding 1. Also, our Champions League run has been class and we've broken two new records. All of this with a makeshift defence.

Benitez deserves an honorable mention for what he's done with his strikers recently.

FA cup is not a major trophy, but Chelsea will win that aswell.

Jose Mourinho is twice the manager Benitez is. Jose won the Uefa Cup and Champions League back 2 back with Porto, Porto aren't a great team, neither is Liverpool but Porto didn't cheat.

How can you count the Spanish league trophies he won if your not going to include the Portugese league, although the Priemera is the best league in the world, in terms of the quality of Porto and the rest of portugal its just as good of an a achievement for Porto to win there league as it is for Valencia to win ours.

Benitez, Wenger, Fergie and Capello. Wenger is still one of the best managers around along with Ferguson. There is something about Capello that I like and they way he manages Juventus is great. Benitez is a good manager but his style of play is very boring, Not seen much of Hiddink but from what I've heard he's a good manager too.

The FA Cup is the most viewed domestic cup competition in the world. It's definitly a major trophy.

The Premiership is the most viewed league in the world so its obvious the FA Cup will be the most viewed domestic cup in the world but it doesn't make it a major trophy just because the fans watch it.

Its only the premiership fans who watch it, if you go to Spain and ask them who do they want to win it, 99.9% of them will tell you they don't care. Its not a major trophy.

Just because Spanish fans don't care it's not important?

Football fans decide what's important in football or not. If the majority of the footballing world watch the oldest domestic cup competition in the world (FA Cup) then it's major. The Champions League would not be important if nobody watched it. Just because the Spanish don't rate it, means nothing. Anyway, I'm sure your statistic of 99.9% is false. I'm sure a lot of people in Spain are interested in football outside of La Liga.

rafa is the best, champions league and he had injuries that made him stay in 5th place

Frank Rijkaard, he has created possibly the best club team in the world that plays exciting football

Cicinho, how did Liverpool cheat?

Are Liverpool the ones that pressurise referees into making decisions and teams into selling players?

Are Liverpool the ones guilty of tapping up players and bringing the game into disrepute?

Is Rafa Benitez a manager who makes excuses everytime he loses and blames the referees for everything?

Weren't you confident of getting Rafa Benitez as manager, and weren't you excited at the prospect?

I think you're just bitter that Madrid are in a shambles and Benitez did not take up the suicidal job.

Liverpool didn't score against Chelsea and somehow them managed to reach the final Dudek was off his line in 3 out of the 5 penaltys so they should have been retaken. Gerrard dived for a penalty. Smicher's goal, Cisse was standing in an offside position obstructing the keepers view the goal should not have counted, so its true what they say "behind every fluke there is a reason"

Why do you keep turning this into a Real Madrid thing, every post you reply to me you always add something about Real Madrid. Are you secretly in love with us? I know you envy us. Liverpool have a very colourful past that I could bring up which you might not like but I don't so lets keep this on topic and talk about the best manager.

No Rafael Benitez might not make up excueses or tap up players or blame referee's for losing but he just goes red and says no comment, dont want to talk about the match, atleast Jose has something to say when they are cheated or get beat but that doesn't matter, you don't rate a manager by what he says to the media its all about results and turning half decent players into good ones which Jose has done and its about getting the right players in the transfer market which jose done. Rafael has brought a few flops to Anfield, Xabi Alonso has been the only successful buy. Cisse Garcia Josemi Krankamp Fowler Crouch and the rest were all shit buys and a waste of money.

Jose Mourinho has done more with Porto and Chelsea than what Rafael has done with Valencia and Liverpool. Its not just about trophies but his match record is better aswell and he turned players like Lampard and Cole, who both were shit before he came into good players.

Its not just the Spanish fans who couldn't care but it is also the German fans the Italian fans the Dutch fans or anyother part of the world who don't care about English football don't watch it.

You lot are only wanting to win it now because there is nothing else to win, thats why Fergie was banging on about how the league cup win was good achievement because you can't win the league while Chelsea are still there.

2 seasons ago you were all putting your reserves out in it, after United won the treble they didn't even want to take part in it. Its not a major trophy, maybe if you were a team like Doncaster you would see it as major but the only real major trophy's are the league, Champions League, European Super Cup and World Club cup. A domestic trophy is nothing to get excited about.

Cisse wasn't a Benitez buy.

Kromkamp has made a very good impression so far, whilst Fowler has just signed.

Garcia has scored 20 goals already for the club despite not being a regular, whilst Crouch has been a reasonable buy so far.

Cisse wasn't on the pitch for the Smicer goal. Liverpool would've got a penalty and Cech a red card if the goal hadn't stood. Gerrard tripped and won the penalty.

Lampard wasn't shit before Mourinho came in, and neither was Cole.

Dudek may have been off his line, but what are referees for? Surely they should judge the infringement.

As far as improving players is concerned, Mista, Aimar, Gerrard, Carragher, Finnan, Riise, Sissoko, Vicente and Albelda all improved by leaps and bounds under Benitez.

You want shit buys?
- Drogba
- Maniche
- Kezman
- Wright Phillips
- Del Horno

60 million worth of shit.

Benitez's shit buys?
- Josemi
- Nunez
- Morientes
- Pellegrino

10 million worth of shit.

Do one.

Drogba was shit and so was Kezmen, they didn't buy Maniche . Del Horno is a good left back which Chelsea needed and has been a good buy, Wright-Phillips was a good buy because if they didn't he would have went to Arsenal or Liverpool so why not take him and throw him on the bench, it stops the other teams in the league improving.

Luis Garcia was a shit buy he only played well in the second phase of the Champions League, he is shit in the EPL. Crouch was another shit buy, how long did it take him to score before going on another goal drout. Fowler I will give you that one since you strikers couldn't score so you may aswell take him for nothing to give the fans something to sing about.

Lampard might not have been shit but he wasn't the second best player in the world before Jose came, John Terry also improved alot, so did Joe Cole, and the whole Porto team.

Jose Mourinho is better manager, he is better at getting results, he is better at improving players and he is better at getting trophies.

And he's got 200 million quid to help him on with hasn't he? Do you think Chelsea would be that good without so much money? Hell, do you think Jose Mourinho would be there if they didn't have the money?

I suggest you watch Liverpool play before you make judgements, Cicinho. You yourself said that the English game isn't watched, and you don't, so you wouldn't know anything about the game.

Crouch has hit 13 goals this season, which is on par with Didier Drogba who's got so many chances to score and still fails to deliver.

Garcia has been one of our most important players and you probably don't like him as he's ex-Barca. Rafa Benitez has made a good team with lesser money, more injuries, and no 25 million pound striker.

Money is everything in terms of Chelsea's success. Take away the money and you've got a team rotting in administration.

Why are you talking about the league cup? Nobody is talking about that. The FA Cup is not the league cup. Also, Cicinho mate, stop talking for other fans. You have no idea what football fans in Germany care about so why do you talk like you do?

The only real major trophies are those you listed? According to who? How can the European Super Cup be classed as a major trophy if it's between the winner of the CL and the UEFA Cup? You didn't even list the UEFA Cup as important so that doesn't make sense. That is a cup gained from one match. Real important.

Domestic cups like the FA Cup hold a lot of honor, significance and prestige within their own leagues. So maybe that's why you don't class it as a major cup. Believe me mate, if you were brought up in England you'd know FA Cup final days are class. The whole country focusses on that match basically. It's a massive final and a massive day.

Raneri had unlimited transfer funds and could not make a winning team out of it like Jose Mourinho has done. Crouch starts every game for Liverpool were as Drogba is part of a rotation system and has been away to the africa cup aswell if you compare there goal per game ratio then Drogba would come out on top but Drogba is still shit.

Jose Mourinho would not be there if Chelsea weren't the team they are under Abramovich but that does not take anything away from how good a manager he is.

Money or no money Jose Mourinho is a better manager than Rafael Benitez.

Everyone has an opinion. Yours is shite.

yes and yours is biased which explains why more people think like me rather than you 17-10 i belive it is

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FA cup is not a major trophy, but Chelsea will win that aswell.
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FA Cup is the oldest cup tournament on the planet. It's broadcasted almost all over the world. Whether Chelsea will win the cup will be seen after the cup final is over.

[QUOTE]Jose Mourinho is twice the manager Benitez is. Jose won the Uefa Cup and Champions League back 2 back with Porto, Porto aren't a great team, neither is Liverpool but Porto didn't cheat.[/QUOTE]

Porto had the likes of Deco,Carvalho,Maniche,etc... They may not been known through out the world but they are good players. Secondly, Porto were known for their diving antics in the UEFA Cup final and they did the same for much of the Champions League campaign.

Pual Scholes goal against Porto was ruled offside, yet the replays showed that he was clearly onside. It takes luck,determination and some skill to win the competition.

[QUOTE]Its not just the Spanish fans who couldn't care but it is also the German fans the Italian fans the Dutch fans or anyother part of the world who don't care about English football don't watch it.[/QUOTE]

The English Premier League is the most watched league in the world, broadcasted in hundreds of countries all over the world. A recent survey was taken, and the fans of the EPL have taken the survey from all over the world.

[QUOTE]You lot are only wanting to win it now because there is nothing else to win, thats why Fergie was banging on about how the league cup win was good achievement because you can't win the league while Chelsea are still there.[/QUOTE]

The FA Cup as I said is the oldest cup competition in the world of football, far older and more known than any other competition from other leagues. We want to win it because we've done it before and winning the FA Cup is one of the many things we've won in our history.

[QUOTE]2 seasons ago you were all putting your reserves out in it, after United won the treble they didn't even want to take part in it. Its not a major trophy, maybe if you were a team like Doncaster you would see it as major but the only real major trophy's are the league, Champions League, European Super Cup and World Club cup. A domestic trophy is nothing to get excited about.[/QUOTE]

There is a reason why Manure are one of the hatest clubs around. They withdrew from the tournament because of the fixture congestion they had that season having to play in the meaning less World Club Cup.

European Super Cup is not a prestigous trophy either, we've won it before but it's not one of the trophies that are prestigous. Why? You only play one game and you can win the cup, not exactly prestigious. The same is said for the World Club Cup. Waste of time and energy. We were willing to pull out of the competition but UEFA were against it.

[QUOTE]Liverpool didn't score against Chelsea and somehow them managed to reach the final Dudek was off his line in 3 out of the 5 penaltys so they should have been retaken. Gerrard dived for a penalty. Smicher's goal, Cisse was standing in an offside position obstructing the keepers view the goal should not have counted, so its true what they say "behind every fluke there is a reason"[/QUOTE]

I believe the final score was Liverpool:1 Chelsea:0 so yes we did score. The referee accepted the goal, as did the linesman. Secondly, the referee played the advantage after Baros was fouled by Cech. He did Chelsea a favor because he could had sent off Cech, and Chelsea would had been playing with ten men for 86 minutes of the game.

Dudek was off his line in 1 out of the 5 penalties which was against Pirlo. I've seen the final on DVD/VHS countless times so I know whether he stepped off the line, and it was on one occasion. The referee was there and saw it but he didn't call anything. You can blame the referee on that.

Gerrard didn't dive for the penalty, as I said I've watched the final countless times. Gatusso was holding him by the shoulder and nicked him on the shin. If Gattusso had decided not to foul Gerrard, Gerrard would had scored.

Cisse wasn't even in the game when Smicer scored the goal. There was no offside because the ball wasn't played to Garcia or Baros, Smicer had a shot on goal. Dida wasn't positioned correctly to make the save.

[QUOTE]Why do you keep turning this into a Real Madrid thing, every post you reply to me you always add something about Real Madrid. Are you secretly in love with us? I know you envy us. Liverpool have a very colourful past that I could bring up which you might not like but I don't so lets keep this on topic and talk about the best manager.[/QUOTE]

Real Madrid is the club that has bought Michael Owen and Macca in the past, two ex-Liverpool players. You've attempted to get your dirty hands on Gerrard,Alonso and Benitez. You've failed, I'm sure you're very angry about that.

[QUOTE]No Rafael Benitez might not make up excueses or tap up players or blame referee's for losing but he just goes red and says no comment, dont want to talk about the match, atleast Jose has something to say when they are cheated or get beat but that doesn't matter, you don't rate a manager by what he says to the media its all about results and turning half decent players into good ones which Jose has done and its about getting the right players in the transfer market which jose done. [/QUOTE]

So because Benitez decides not to talk about certain things, he's below Mourinho who complains at every chance he gets? I read every post match interview and Benitez says what should be said. He doesn't talk about referees or whatever, he talks about his players and his team.

[QUOTE]Rafael has brought a few flops to Anfield, Xabi Alonso has been the only successful buy. Cisse Garcia Josemi Krankamp Fowler Crouch and the rest were all shit buys and a waste of money.[/QUOTE]

You might want to get your facts straight before you start ranting.
-Cisse was signed months before Benitez was appointed manager. Cisse was a Gerard Houllier signing
-Garcia is an incosistant player but he isn't a flop. Unless you watch the lad play week in and week out you have no idea what he can do. For such a flop player he sure can score a lot of goals
13 goals scored in 43 matches last season, his first season with the club
10 goals scored this season, 8 in the Premiership.

But then again why would I expect a Real Madrid fan to know what they're talking about? This is a club that buys players based on whether they are a ''Galactico''. Owen wasn't a "Galactico'' yet he outscored Raul, the club legend.

-Kromkamp? FFS, have you seen the lad play at all or are you completely talking out of your arse? How the fuck has he been a flop is beyond me. He's performed well whenever he's played. The only reason he's not starting week in and week out is because Finnan is the best right-back in the Premiership. He's been consistant for the past two seasons. Kromkamp will get his chance because he's still young where as Finnan will turn 30 this year. Secondly we didn't buy him, we swapped him for Josemi

-Josemi was a flop, but he cost us 2.5 million. Chump change
-Fowler has scored 2 goals in 8 appearances, hardly a flop and he's done well whenever he's played. We didn't buy him either
-Crouch has scored 12 goals in the last 24 games, and he has been one of our better players this season. He isn't as prolific as many others but Benitez didn't buy him for his goals [he scored 16 in 32 matches for Southampton last season, 12 of those in the Premiership]. He was bought for his ability to hold up the ball

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Jose Mourinho has done more with Porto and Chelsea than what Rafael has done with Valencia and Liverpool. Its not just about trophies but his match record is better aswell and he turned players like Lampard and Cole, who both were shit before he came into good players.[/QUOTE]

Lampard wasn't shit before Mourinho came. Lampard was scoring goals under Ranieri as well, and he was their main player. Of course he's improved, but he was a good player before Mourinho's arrival.

[QUOTE]Raneri had unlimited transfer funds and could not make a winning team out of it like Jose Mourinho has done.[/QUOTE]

Ranieri left Chelsea in a good position, far better than Houllier did with Liverpool when Benitez came in. With Ranieri Chelsea finished 2nd two seasons in a row. They couldn't make that final push for the league but Arsenal were dominating at the time. It was hard for anybody to stoop on their level.

He bought Robben,Cech,Makalele,Duff,Guidjohnsen,Crespo,Gallas,Bridge,Lampard,etc... Which is more than half of the current squad. He left the club in a good position, Mourinho finished the job but he didn't do all of it.


[QUOTE]Everyone has an opinion. Yours is shite.[/QUOTE]

Well said mate, these are easily one of the most ridicilious thinigs I've read.

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FA Cup is the oldest cup tournament on the planet. It's broadcasted almost all over the world. Whether Chelsea will win the cup will be seen after the cup final is over.
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Its the oldest competition in the world because the English created football, still does not make it a major trophy.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
Porto had the likes of Deco,Carvalho,Maniche,etc... They may not been known through out the world but they are good players. Secondly, Porto were known for their diving antics in the UEFA Cup final and they did the same for much of the Champions League campaign.
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Liverpool had the likes of Alonso, Gerrard, Carragher ect ect. They might not be known all round the world but there are half decent players and I'd rather have Gerrard and Alonso in my team than Deco and Maniche, would you?

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
Pual Scholes goal against Porto was ruled offside, yet the replays showed that he was clearly onside. It takes luck,determination and some skill to win the competition.
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How do you win a match if you dont score

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
The English Premier League is the most watched league in the world, broadcasted in hundreds of countries all over the world. A recent survey was taken, and the fans of the EPL have taken the survey from all over the world.
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Yeah but if you ask fans of teams like Milan, Madrid, Juve, Munich do they follow the FA Cup and care who wins it they will say no. Now if you ask a Madrid or Juve fan are they going to watch the Champions League while there not in it, the majority will say yes

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
The FA Cup as I said is the oldest cup competition in the world of football, far older and more known than any other competition from other leagues. We want to win it because we've done it before and winning the FA Cup is one of the many things we've won in our history.
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Age has nothing to do with anything, just because it is old does not make it a major trophy, yes you might want to win it but given the choice wouldn't you like to win the Coca Cola cup and the Charity Shield aswell? Of corse you would, you want your team to win every competition that they enter but the FA Cup is still not a major trophy.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
There is a reason why Manure are one of the hatest clubs around. They withdrew from the tournament because of the fixture congestion they had that season having to play in the meaning less World Club Cup.
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Which suggest that the World Club Cup means more than the FA Cup, they have the chance to win the FA Cup every year, the World Club Cup is only possible if you win the Champions League, something United and Liverpool won't be entering for a while.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
European Super Cup is not a prestigous trophy either, we've won it before but it's not one of the trophies that are prestigous. Why? You only play one game and you can win the cup, not exactly prestigious. The same is said for the World Club Cup. Waste of time and energy. We were willing to pull out of the competition but UEFA were against it.
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World Club Cup, European Super Cup are trophy's only available if you win the Champions League or in 1 case the Uefa Cup. Only selected amount of teams are available to win these trophy's considering the win either the Uefa Cup or Champions League. If you ask any manager maybe Stuart Pierce or Sam Alladyce would they rather take part in the World Club Cup or FA Cup next season, nine times out of 10 they will say the World Club Cup because the FA Cup is avaible every single season.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
I believe the final score was Liverpool:1 Chelsea:0 so yes we did score. The referee accepted the goal, as did the linesman. Secondly, the referee played the advantage after Baros was fouled by Cech. He did Chelsea a favor because he could had sent off Cech, and Chelsea would had been playing with ten men for 86 minutes of the game.
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Yes and you won 1-0 without scoring I'm sure the Chelsea fans would rather take away the goal give you the penalty and go down to 10 men, save the Penaltly and play the counter attack because Liverpool are not an attacking force to be scared off.


Dudek was off his line in 1 out of the 5 penalties which was against Pirlo. I've seen the final on DVD/VHS countless times so I know whether he stepped off the line, and it was on one occasion. The referee was there and saw it but he didn't call anything. You can blame the referee on that.

watch it again the 3 penalty's he saved he was off his line on by at least 2 or 3 yards, now if the penalty taker had of placed the ball 3 yards closer to the net the ref would of had something to say about it.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
Gerrard didn't dive for the penalty, as I said I've watched the final countless times. Gatusso was holding him by the shoulder and nicked him on the shin. If Gattusso had decided not to foul Gerrard, Gerrard would had scored.
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No he wouldn't have and he barely touched him, Gerrard played for the penalty dived and let Xabi take it.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
Cisse wasn't even in the game when Smicer scored the goal. There was no offside because the ball wasn't played to Garcia or Baros, Smicer had a shot on goal. Dida wasn't positioned correctly to make the save.
Real Madrid is the club that has bought Michael Owen and Macca in the past, two ex-Liverpool players. You've attempted to get your dirty hands on Gerrard,Alonso and Benitez. You've failed, I'm sure you're very angry about that.
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Who ever it was I dunno, I took an educated guess at Cisse because I am not a Liverpool supporter and couldn't name man for man your squad in that final but I can tell you there was a man in a red shirt in an offside position obstructing the keepers view, you claim to watch this final countless times how can you not notice these things and I only watched it about 3 times.

We have not attempted to get Gerrard or Alonso, the press have made up all there little rumours but there has been no offical approach for either of those players yet, they are great players I'm sure any football fan and manager would like them in there team but people like me don't get all excited about rumours because 9 times out of 10 they don't happen its just to sell papers.

Florentino Perez did tap Benitez up but what manager would want to work under Perez and not even have control over the team selection but now I want Ancelotti or Mourinho if we can't get neither of them then certainly Benitez is an option.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
So because Benitez decides not to talk about certain things, he's below Mourinho who complains at every chance he gets? I read every post match interview and Benitez says what should be said. He doesn't talk about referees or whatever, he talks about his players and his team.
You might want to get your facts straight before you start ranting.
-Cisse was signed months before Benitez was appointed manager. Cisse was a Gerard Houllier signing
-Garcia is an incosistant player but he isn't a flop. Unless you watch the lad play week in and week out you have no idea what he can do. For such a flop player he sure can score a lot of goals
13 goals scored in 43 matches last season, his first season with the club
10 goals scored this season, 8 in the Premiership.
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Who cares what they say on and off the field it has no effect on the managerial skills.

I don't need to get my facts right because I am not interested enough on your club to go look things up so if I say something wrong I'm sure someone like you will correct me.

Ok Garcia was not a flop so why were you trying to sign Simao and why does Rafael insist on signing a new right sided midfilder because thats were Garcia plays, unless he is playing shit as usual then he is put on the bench and Gerrard on the right. Sometimes he plays center but if you get a new right midfielder then you can bet your ass Garcia will be back up and if your a back up player for a team like Liverpool then you must not be very good.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
But then again why would I expect a Real Madrid fan to know what they're talking about? This is a club that buys players based on whether they are a ''Galactico''. Owen wasn't a "Galactico'' yet he outscored Raul, the club legend.
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Yes we bought Owen for 8m and sold him for 18m, thanks for the 10m.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
-Kromkamp? FFS, have you seen the lad play at all or are you completely talking out of your arse? How the fuck has he been a flop is beyond me. He's performed well whenever he's played. The only reason he's not starting week in and week out is because Finnan is the best right-back in the Premiership. He's been consistant for the past two seasons. Kromkamp will get his chance because he's still young where as Finnan will turn 30 this year. Secondly we didn't buy him, we swapped him for Josemi
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If Finnan can out play Kromkamp then I don't need to explain how shit he must be.

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
-Josemi was a flop, but he cost us 2.5 million. Chump change
-Fowler has scored 2 goals in 8 appearances, hardly a flop and he's done well whenever he's played. We didn't buy him either
-Crouch has scored 12 goals in the last 24 games, and he has been one of our better players this season. He isn't as prolific as many others but Benitez didn't buy him for his goals [he scored 16 in 32 matches for Southampton last season, 12 of those in the Premiership]. He was bought for his ability to hold up the ball
Lampard wasn't shit before Mourinho came. Lampard was scoring goals under Ranieri as well, and he was their main player. Of course he's improved, but he was a good player before Mourinho's arrival.
Ranieri left Chelsea in a good position, far better than Houllier did with Liverpool when Benitez came in. With Ranieri Chelsea finished 2nd two seasons in a row. They couldn't make that final push for the league but Arsenal were dominating at the time. It was hard for anybody to stoop on their level.
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Crouch was not bought to hold up play, there is alot of players in the world that can hold up play and much more to say you buy a player just to keep the ball is silly but then again it is Liverpool so maybe you did just buy him to hold up play

[quote name='Fields of Anfield Road' date='Apr 6 2006, 09:02 PM' post='1174436']
He bought Robben,Cech,Makalele,Duff,Guidjohnsen,Crespo,Gallas,Bridge,Lampard,etc... Which is more than half of the current squad. He left the club in a good position, Mourinho finished the job but he didn't do all of it.
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Well if he had all those good players and did nothing with them just backs my point up more about Jose Mourinho if Raneri can finish second with those players and Mourinho can dominate the league for 2 years it shows how good a manager he is.

[quote name='Cicinho The Great' date='Apr 6 2006, 04:55 PM' post='1174516']
Its the oldest competition in the world because the English created football, still does not make it a major trophy.
Liverpool had the likes of Alonso, Gerrard, Carragher ect ect. They might not be known all round the world but there are half decent players and I'd rather have Gerrard and Alonso in my team than Deco and Maniche, would you?[/quote]

Liverpool also played with the likes of Warnock,Traore,Josemi,Biscan,La Tallec, and Mellor. Hardly good players yet they played their part to a certain extent to our succes in Europe last season.

[quote]How do you win a match if you dont score [/quote]


Liverpool: 1
Chelsea: 0

The ball crossed the line according to the referee and the linesman = goal allowed = Liverpool win.

[quote]Which suggest that the World Club Cup means more than the FA Cup, they have the chance to win the FA Cup every year, the World Club Cup is only possible if you win the Champions League, something United and Liverpool won't be entering for a while.
World Club Cup, European Super Cup are trophy's only available if you win the Champions League or in 1 case the Uefa Cup. Only selected amount of teams are available to win these trophy's considering the win either the Uefa Cup or Champions League. If you ask any manager maybe Stuart Pierce or Sam Alladyce would they rather take part in the World Club Cup or FA Cup next season, nine times out of 10 they will say the World Club Cup because the FA Cup is avaible every single season.[/quote]

First of all Man City and Bolton would have to win the Champions League to take part in the World Club Cup which nobody cares about. An FA Cup win would give them a place in the UEFA Cup so I'm sure Pearce would take it along.

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Yes and you won 1-0 without scoring I'm sure the Chelsea fans would rather take away the goal give you the penalty and go down to 10 men, save the Penaltly and play the counter attack because Liverpool are not an attacking force to be scared off.[/quote]

Who really cares whether Liverpool were not an attacking force to be scared off last season? We still won the Champions League did we not without having a clinical goal-scorer in the team

How would Chelsea saved the penalty if their goalkeeper is sent off? Playing the majority of the game with ten men is hardly the ideal situation. Chelsea couldn't buy a goal in the two legs they played against us, even with six minutes added on at the end of the game.


[quote]watch it again the 3 penalty's he saved he was off his line on by at least 2 or 3 yards, now if the penalty taker had of placed the ball 3 yards closer to the net the ref would of had something to say about it.[/quote]

No he stepped off the line before Pirlo took a shot. Serginho missed the goal and blazed it into row Z. Dudek saved the last Milan penalty which was taken by Shevchenko and Dudek didn't get off his line before Sheva took the shot on goal. I suggest that you watch the penalties again, I have it on DVD/VHS and on my computer. I've seen it enough times to know what exactly each player did in the game in the most crutial moments.

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No he wouldn't have and he barely touched him, Gerrard played for the penalty dived and let Xabi take it.
Who ever it was I dunno, I took an educated guess at Cisse because I am not a Liverpool supporter and couldn't name man for man your squad in that final but I can tell you there was a man in a red shirt in an offside position obstructing the keepers view, you claim to watch this final countless times how can you not notice these things and I only watched it about 3 times.[/quote]

Garcia was in an offside position but the ball was never played to him, he wasn't interfearing with the play. Had Smicer passed the ball to Garcia then it would had been called offside, but Garcia wasn't interfearing with the play and Smicer had a shot on goal which Dida was not in the position to make the save.

Garcia wasn't in Dida's way, I've seen the goal in every angle possible. If Dida's view was obstructed then how did he get a hand on the shot? He jumped too late and couldn't get a good hand on the ball. You're talking out of your arse.

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I don't need to get my facts right because I am not interested enough on your club to go look things up so if I say something wrong I'm sure someone like you will correct me.[/quote]

If you don't know enough about something then don't say anything in the first place.

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Ok Garcia was not a flop so why were you trying to sign Simao and why does Rafael insist on signing a new right sided midfilder because thats were Garcia plays, unless he is playing shit as usual then he is put on the bench and Gerrard on the right. Sometimes he plays center but if you get a new right midfielder then you can bet your ass Garcia will be back up and if your a back up player for a team like Liverpool then you must not be very good.[/quote]

Garcia isn't a natural right winger. He isn't the type of player that can deliever the crosses that need to be delievered from the flank. He isn't a winger, he cuts inside too much which is why we need a natural right winger. Garcia is played on the right because he's good with the right and the left foot but he's not a natural winger like Simao is.

Garcia can play in more than position, he can play behind the striker. Because of that and due to the fact that Benitez wants to have 2 good options for every position and rotates, there will be a place for Garcia.

''If you're back up then you not must be very good" Is a bullshit statement. Hamannn is back up to Alonso but Hamann is a good player. Each of our players gives us a different option and Benitez picks his teams based on what each player can do against certain opposition.



[quote]If Finnan can out play Kromkamp then I don't need to explain how shit he must be.[/quote]

Finnan has been the best right-back in the Premiership for the past two seasons. He was also one of the best right-backs when he played for Fulham. You don't watch the Premiership so you don't know your arse from your elbow.

[quote]Crouch was not bought to hold up play, there is alot of players in the world that can hold up play and much more to say you buy a player just to keep the ball is silly but then again it is Liverpool so maybe you did just buy him to hold up play [/quote]

How do you know what Crouch was bought for? You don't follow the Premiership nor do you follow Liverpool so how doul you know what Bentiez wants and is looking for? Crouch is a target man, not a poacher. He creates space for his team-mates. He's done it many times this season but as I've said and as you've said you know nothing on that particular matter because you don't watch him week in and week out.


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Well if he had all those good players and did nothing with them just backs my point up more about Jose Mourinho if Raneri can finish second with those players and Mourinho can dominate the league for 2 years it shows how good a manager he is.
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Err Ranieri got them in the top two in two consecutive seasons after being shit for a very long time. That is harldy doing nothing. He took them as far as he could but Ranieri should be credited for a part of Chelsea's success.

I've said enough on this particular matter. You yourself have stated that you don't watch the English league, which is a problem when you're discussing players who play in England.

Opinons are a bitch. Everyone has them, even the most unlogical people.

Capello and Rijkaard
Can't find a good reason why Rijkaard isn't the best coach at the mo.