I like Ronaldinho. I think he is a good player. He is one of my favourite current players. So don't jump to any conclusions, and call me a 'hater' or anything.

In my opinion Ronaldinho is NOT at the level that Zidane or Rivaldo were at a few years ago. Ok Ronaldinho scored a hatrick last match. But last season what did he do? Scored a goal against Millan, scored a goal against Chelsea [two if you want to include penalty kick] but apart from that did he have a HUGE influence on Barcelona? Was he even Barcelona's best player?

Many people also say Ronaldinho is a great dribbler. He undoubtably has some nice tricks, but how often does he dribble? I haven't seen a match [and i watch nearly every game he plays in the last 2 years] where he has dribbled more then a few times. [Ok maybe one or two games]. And the elastico? He attempted it twice last season??? So you might argue he doesn't have to dribble to be a good player, which is fair enough. But to me his passing is eratic. Alot of his passes DO NOT go where he wants them to.. And in my opinion he is not the greatest finisher either.

Now don't get me wrong, he used to be my favourite player. But i hate in when people on these boards say 'he is better then pele and maradona' and 'he played a good game' when he in fact did nothing.

Looking forward to some friendly discussion.

I dont have time to write much, but I agree. The la liga allows teams more timem to build up outside the box. Ronaldinho has ample time to find the right pass and his given so much space. No doubt his good, but no the best.

If you ppl say Ronaldinho is overated then u dnt kno shoot about football...Ronaldinho is the god of football and wat he does well never be repeated again in history so enjoy your age of football while u can

He is without doubt a great modern player but I tend to agree with you. He isnt upto legend status yet but I can see why people put this moniker of 'best player ever' on him. Many people didnt see Pele or Maradona while they were playing (me included) or have they researched them either. The one think that Ronadinho brings to Barcelona and to some extent European football that no other player does it an excitment when he gets the ball. You can feel the tension and exictment when he receives the ball. Over-reaction is a symptom of the modern game unfortunately and comments like 'best player' are thrown around all to easily. To be a true great in the modern day sense like Zidane he needs to improve. Zidane was immense during the WC in France and has been playing at the highest level for many years. Ronnie is close but not there yet, time will tell and he has plenty of it to prove himself. The upcoming World Cup is an important one for him imo if he to become a 'true legend'.

Great topic and very well put btw dribblehumiliation.

It's depends how u see it. Yes he is a bit overated but in my opionion, many r overrated. I remember when i was like 8, i saw L.Ronaldo tricks on news and people said he was the best of best. When I started to watch his full matches, i became a bit disappointed. All my attention was on him but he wasn't anywhere near as good as i thought he would be. Only very occasionly, I saw him doing tricks..dribbles...etc. I think this would be to every player. For example, As we hear that Pele scored the most in the whole history of football, many people today imagine him scoring hatrick(as a say ) every match. If u see his goal rate, he didn't even score a 1 goal per match(like every player)

What we see on news, highlights , compliations r the best of them. More often we see a player with good action, the player gets spotlight and become overated.

I think this is a another fascinating fact that shows football is a team sport, not a individual sport.(like basketball u often see one player go pass everyone)

Naa.

Ok, just little bit.
But he is just good.

Just out of intrest inter4life47 what has he done that no one else has or won't do?

I agree with you there k2. Good post to mingun 119.

Roque i agree with your point about him having time to find a good pass.

He is good player no doubt but is not best of the best but can prove that in the future

Celso will repeat it.

and I know exactly what You mean about His dribbling but, as some one previously mentioned The spanish league has made him more of a Midfield maestro than a humilliating Dribbla.
But for PsG I saw games where Dinho was like a train that the Opposition tried to hang unto in numerous numbers as he turned and twisled.

I think that every Generation the current people will think that Their No1 playa was the best that there ever was.
The best way to distinguish is to imagine if both were playing now and you were starting a brand new team without any players and you had the option to pick just one of them.

I personally would pick Ronaldinho, but I can't say that I think Ronnie is better.
This thread is a Headscratcha and I know identify with what d-humilliata is saying

You saying to my exactly words.

Some of the thing he doing to last saeson, I never seeing any player to do.

He is my favourite player, no doubt about it. But i don`t say he is better thatn Maradona or Zidane. But in the last few years he has been the best player in the world. And someone asked what has he won or smthg. That is not the most important aspect...
You just have to watch what he does in the game, then you see why he is the best player in the world. And i belive he will become a great legend, but not better ang bigger that Pele or Maradona ofcourse. I have read some football critics opinions who think Ronaldinho already is a legend and will become a big name.
And all the world players and coaches can`t be wrong ... if they voted for Ronaldinho. So, he is a great player and best player in the world at the moment..only time shows will he become a great legend etc...

I diasagree i think he was average last season.

Nowadays its just Money and advertisements that make a plyer like ronaldinho look overrated from my point of view nope Ronnie is not overrated dont think im being biast because he's one of my favouritest players its just at the age ronnie is and the stuff he has pulled of is amazing for example Goal against chelsea 4-2 Fifa player of the year 2004 and fif pro etc. A player of his calibur Should not be hated and called overrated but Admired... My opinion.. lol... Gud topic m8...

I do admire him.. But last season what did he do? Really? He was good yes, but was he very good? Did he 'do things that will never be repeated'? I don't think he did. In my opinion if Ronaldinho wasn't sponsored by nike and had a name like gary nevile or something he wouldn't be AS hyped up as he is.

Yes he is overrated.

Since I've played with him a couple of times (just for fun) and watched him play when he was starting up and later became a professional (at Gremio) I think I am pretty unbiased on this one.

Pros:
1. He has amazing skills - Although being able to do tricks nobody else can do doesn't make him the best, sure is entertaining though.

2. He sure is strong, people think he can be pushed around but theyr wrong, the guys is very strong (not small either).

3. He can kick the ball pretty good, being a free kick, a shot, a cross or a long pass.

Cons
1. Hes a little slow, I believe thats the reason he doesn't score more often.

2. He lacks attitude, he vanishes from the game from time to time, thats what separetes him from Pele and Maradona (or even Zidane and Matthaus <- underrated player), those were constant delivers.

So in conclusion, yes hes one of the best players in the world today. He can surely decide a game with a great play, however he is far from being the best one. I can think of at least 5 other players who I'd pick before thinking about picking Ronaldinho.

He is doing stuff we have never seen before

wow he is doing all these new tricks, but does cool tricks when he has so much time outside the box make him the world best player? I dont think so. Thats my personal opinion.

When i see him doing all these tricks and flicks, i hardly ever actually every see a goal result from them, so i dont see why tricks and flicks make him one of the best. yes he is a very good player and he is very entertainign to watch, i think he is overated, but got to give him credit that goal against chelsea was class

He led Barca to La Liga for first time in 5 years over a Real Madrid that had more points (80 to Barca's 84) then they had in the last 5 years. The last time La Liga was won with 80 points or more was Real Madrid in 2000/2001 season with 80 once again.

They went through CL without a single loss up to the horrible day at Stamford Brdige, and even on that day, their ONLY CL loss of the season, he almost single 'footedly' pulled Barca through on his shoulders.

Ronaldinho draws so much focus, other players on the team improve. Is it any wonder that Eto'o had his best year ever once he got to Barca?

He does things other players never imagined, and he is only 24! Just think what we will be saying once he is 28......

Also, you seem to ignore what he has done for Brazil in the last years as well. To be the clear star of such a team is difficult, but who is better on that team then Ronaldinho today? Nobody.

Well, anyhow, those who are not impressed by what they have seen in the last two years from this guy lack an understanding of the game IMO. He is so clearly the best in the world at the moment, that even the players of the world voted him the best... and THEY should know more than anyone.

I strongly disagree with one thing you wrote: he's never been Brazil best player, not once. Actually his performances have been pretty weak. Kaka has been a lot better than Ronaldinho for Brazil in many opportunities, not even mentioning Ronaldo and Adriano.

what club team is adriano on?

Intrer Milan

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He led Barca to La Liga for first time in 5 years over a Real Madrid that had more points (80 to Barca's 84) then they had in the last 5 years. The last time La Liga was won with 80 points or more was Real Madrid in 2000/2001 season with 80 once again.

They went through CL without a single loss up to the horrible day at Stamford Brdige, and even on that day, their ONLY CL loss of the season, he almost single 'footedly' pulled Barca through on his shoulders.

Ronaldinho draws so much focus, other players on the team improve. Is it any wonder that Eto'o had his best year ever once he got to Barca?

He does things other players never imagined, and he is only 24! Just think what we will be saying once he is 28......

Also, you seem to ignore what he has done for Brazil in the last years as well. To be the clear star of such a team is difficult, but who is better on that team then Ronaldinho today? Nobody.

Well, anyhow, those who are not impressed by what they have seen in the last two years from this guy lack an understanding of the game IMO. He is so clearly the best in the world at the moment, that even the players of the world voted him the best... and THEY should know more than anyone.


I disagree. He alone didn't lead Barca to La liga. There was eto'o and Deco who were both as good as him at least in la liga IMO. To be honest I don't see alot of brazil's games but i still see a fair few and he never really impressed me for Brazil either. He is a good player with FLASHES of greatness. What does he do that others can't?

How many points Barcelona got, doesn't make Ronaldinho the best player, how much he did for the team does.


He doesn't dominate games in my opinion either. This myth about him pulling of heaps of tricks is just that a myth! VERY rarely does he pull of heaps of tricks in a game.

I really don't see how you can say he is the best player in the world currently..

No one has told me what he does that no one else does..

Remember i like him, but i just think he is overrated.

when people say he led barca to win the la liga, your totally discrediting all of the other players. Barca have a great lineup. Thats like saying Henry won the league unbeaten with arsenal and totally disregarind players like vieria and campbell.

lol why the henry comparison

Might as well compare Heskey with ronaldinho then

Arsenal went the league unbeaten due to lack of quality in the EPL - dont lose to Manu and going unbeaten in the league should be a piece of cake .

Its the same reason why a Chelsea will never go on to win say 7 consecutive victories in La liga .

Anyway coming to the topic , i dont know why people say he is overrated ??

I mean , is it becoz he is the Worlds best player?

Even some EPL players inspired crappy award system called FIFIPRO had to give Ronaldinho the best player in the world award .

One cant say Ronaldinho is overrated becoz he is the worlds best player .one cant help it if one is talented.

I mean , realistically speaking , i doubt if any neutral can come up with a name that one can say is a better player than ronaldinho at present.

PS - EPL fans , dont crack me up with ur usual list of names like Henry , Gerrard , Lampard etc etc

As for whether ronaldinho can be the next Pele or Maradona , only time will tell .

But he is on route to it by proving he is the best player in the world at present .

ronaldinho is not overrated - players like rooney (next Pele) , Henry (always the worlds best player) , Gerrard and Lampard(apparently the worlds greatest midfield pairing ever) , these are the players that are overrated .

they have never been the best but are always talked of to be the best .

[QUOTE] strongly disagree with one thing you wrote: he's never been Brazil best player, not once. Actually his performances have been pretty weak. Kaka has been a lot better than Ronaldinho for Brazil in many opportunities, not even mentioning Ronaldo and Adriano.[QUOTE]

Yeah mate i was about to say that... Ronaldinho is a international Underachiver.

he gets too much credit

dribblehumiliation you really think to that Eto'o and Deco was good as Ronaldinho to the last season, I not knowing why people when to choose a player they looking to his goals and not the way he playing to. A player can scoring to many goals but it not mean they playing to better than the one who not have goals like him. Forward are for scoring and midfielder are for assisat then score.

[/QUOTE]Last season Ronnie doing to 5-7 thing that nobody have do before[QUOTE]

Lol u crack me up... mm Mate what new things ?? a sombrero something like a backheel nutmeg or a something like a no look pass..??? whatever it is that doesnt make him a great player.

u r one of those guys who thinks that flick and tricks make a player a god...

based in your thougths Nedved sucks....

lOL AGAIN...Mate u said tha midfielders are for assits then for goals right ? why the hell ronaldinho had only 5 or 7 assists last season ????????????????????????????????????? and what about 12 goals and 3 from penalty????? ....

ronaldinho is passed away is best season was at 2003-2004 , i really enjoyed his game there !

Yes He Had An Average Season .. But Still He Scored Like 3/4 Sensational Goals ..
Ac Milan , Chelsea , Valencia .. For Me He's Just The Best In The World .. I Never Liked Football Before .. But Now That I Saw Him The Last 2 Years .. My God I Got Football Biased !

Last season Ronnie doing to 5-7 thing that nobody have do before


I crackin to you up, I making a video so I can showing to you so I can uncracking to you.

We are probably going to be saying "whats wrong with him, he's been on a slump for 4 years... what happened to his flair?".

Once you plateau (and he has already done so) there is only one way... straight down. It happens to everyone, just look at Ruud and Henry this year.. FAR from spectacular.

Hehhehe....speak some proper english...

so u r going to make a ronadlinho video...i have seen alot of his compilaitons , And compilations dont tell me nothing , u think a compilation shows what a player worths ????if u want to know how good the player is watch him in a full game , and i watch ronaldinho since 2001 at his psg times mate , his best season was at 2003-2004 , dinho got the potential to be the best but he doesnt know how to use it ... 5 assists 12 goals 3 from penlaties and u still say that he was the best player at barca ... OMG gimme a break.

Hey man refrain from asking members to speak properly as I'm sure you have used slang and other words not in the English dictionary.

Just stick to the subject please, let the mods handle anything we deem not suitable for the site God of Football.

simple as

... that is absolutley right
thats what iam talking about ronaldinho is passed away alread he wont be good as he was at 2003-2004 season unfourtnetlly , it happened with Delpiero veron Aimar Raul vicente tristan and its happening with ruud and henry and many other players...thats a fact.

It is hard to come back to your best, specially when defenders figure you out.
Now I'm not saying Dinho is a bad player, on the contrary he is superb.. but all of his tricks are leading to nothing but passes back to the defence, or to the midfield.

This is what happened to most of the players that are now "on the decline", they defenders have figured them out, they know what to expect.

Until the next big thing comes along we see mere clones of moves already invented or used in a certain game by a Ronaldo, or a Zidane, or a Ronaldinho... it is on them to upgrade said moves, or invent new ones.. the rest just copy and try to equal something that wont work after seeing it 3 times...

I think keeping it fresh is what World Class players know how to do best, and this is why they stay atop of their game, as opposed to the ones that are constantly copying the moves that they see on TV or being performed on them (Ie Gravesen 360 spin copying ZZ's). If R10 keeps on doing the same moves.. well.. lets just say he'll fall ill with Raulitis.

Cheers.

Please not compare Ronaldinho with Del piero, Ruud, Henry, Aimar, or Raul.

Every player having to his bad season, and this for Ronnie at time of this (2205-2006). Looking to see how great he is when he done with 2010 Barcelona contract

I'll compare anyone I want to with potatoes or Oranges, as I have the right to do so.

Anyhow, you made no sense, you simply outbursted with anger that I put Ronaldinho on the same light as those players.. well I say you should be proud I'm comparing him to them as they have won more silverware than your prized Dinho. Once more I would like to say that Dinho is great, but do not sit there and tell me that Raul should not be spoken in the same breath as he IS the highest CL scorer of all time, has 3 Cl's, and 10 years in the 1st division after starting at age 17.. where was Dinho at age 17?................ Exactly.

Anyhow, learn to respect people's opinions as they might differ from yours, but might bring some insight to the game, and an open mind is a smart mind. Nevertheless, Dinho is the best player in the world today, but he wont alwyas have that honor, and unless he keeps it fresh it wont last long enough to be mentioned in Raul's or Del Piero's breath, as they have accomplished much much much much more than Gaucho.

Cheers.

BTW Carlos, I don't think Ronaldinho has reached his ultimate plateau yet. I think he is on a plateau right now but will still improve some.

Josh no one cares about you though

I know. As is evident by the fact that no one will even send me a mug that they got for free.

Back to the topic. I think Ronaldinho is maturing a bit now and his vision for the game is improving. I think his execution will improve to match his improved understanding of the game.

Touche Josh.. touche..

Let me to saying, let us to see how great Ronaldinho is after 2010, that all I say know.

I cant see how you can rate a player on amazing goals, anyone could go out in their local league and score a cracker.

Scoring 3-4 good goals doesn't make you a great player.
I agree with Carlos, with respect to del peiro, raul, henry etc. That is the level ronnie is on or was on. He is no better then they were/are.

I Don't Say I Rate Him On Goals .. I Sayed He Had An Average Season .. And Still Score Such Magical Goals ..

Why you thinking to Ronnie have bad season (2004-2005).

Please answering to me

Your point he had a bad season but still scored some wonderful goals. I can not see the point of even saying that sorry. How does that either prove or disprove he is over rated? What I am saying is that anyone can go and score 3 wonderful goals, wow.

Well That's Not What I Mean .. About The Overrated Stuff .. You All Sayed He Had An Average Season .. Yes He Had .. But He Still Scores Beautifull Goals .. That's Only What I Wanted To Say .. Don't Take Things To Serious

ronaldinho overated r u havin a laugh ?

Over rated World Player of the Year , David Beckham Is over Rated Not Ronnie