*Glow*
Oct 18 2005, 07:07 AM
I was reading an article about Podolski in our newspaper this morning, about his argument with Cologne coach Rapolder, the hype about his person after the Confed Cup this summer, all the advert stuff he is doing and that his form is pretty bad at the moment. And now I'd like to hear the opinions of SP members
I personally think that many Germans make way too much hype about him, some even call his team not 1. FC Köln but 1.FC Podolski
He is without a doubt their star player but that's really too much..
Some people also think it's bad that he is in relegation trouble with Köln but has the hope of a whole nation on his shoulders for the World Cup next year. I think that's rubbish and that people should leave him alone for a few weeks, I'm sure he'll find his form back then.
Your thoughts?
ffl19
Oct 18 2005, 09:19 AM
Yes, I do think he is being hyped, but it is just normal that happens after a young player has a season like he did last one, where he was good at club and national level. I think is exactly what you said, he´s young, he needs some time to ajust to all that everyone is hoping from him.
It is perfectly normal that a young player that is being hyped by many people goes through a moment of instability in his career. It happens all the time to young players and what can make him different is that he can overcome this phase and start helping his team again. Maybe some sort of 'protection wall' should be built around him, specially at national level. Some of the older players coming and saying "no, he is a 20-year-old, he cannot carry the whole team on his shoulders, despite his talent". That would make him feel less pressured and might help him.
I do think he is a good player, with some interesting skills, he just needs a good mentality to lead his career in a fine way for both club and NT. I hope he gets to his old form back, because I really want to see him performing club level, which I was not able to do it yet. And also because he can play a great part for Germany in WC, but only if there´s no pressure on him.
energy41
Oct 18 2005, 11:33 AM
he is hyped way too much.
he wins for example the goal of the month award without scoring a great goal. when he misses a game then its like his club has no chance which is crap.
if he stays down to earth then he can be great but since sunday we all know that he the potential to be a troublemaker which is not good at all.
QUOTE(Black Angel @ Oct 18 2005, 01:07 PM)
I was reading an article about Podolski in our newspaper this morning, about his argument with Cologne coach Rapolder
well, about the argument BILD and many teletexts reported yesterday because of his comments after sundays match, so i guess its not a great newspaper
which newspaper is it?
*Glow*
Oct 18 2005, 12:40 PM
Nice reply lfc_girl I agree with everthying you said
QUOTE(energy41 @ Oct 18 2005, 05:33 PM)
he wins for example the goal of the month award without scoring a great goal
You don't know how much it freaked me out on saturday that his goal was goal of the week
QUOTE(energy41 @ Oct 18 2005, 05:33 PM)
well, about the argument BILD and many teletexts reported yesterday because of his comments after sundays match, so i guess its not a great newspaper
which newspaper is it?
There was already an article only about the argument yesterday but today was just a longer one and also about more things. And it's the HAZ ( Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung )
energy41
Oct 18 2005, 12:46 PM
QUOTE(Black Angel @ Oct 18 2005, 06:40 PM)
Nice reply lfc_girl I agree with everthying you said
You don't know how much it freaked me out on saturday that his goal was goal of the week
There was already an article only about the argument yesterday but today was just a longer one and also about more things. And it's the HAZ ( Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung )
i haven't seen it on saturday, which of his 2 goals this season was it?
but i agree completely, his goal vs South Africa was good but this Mc Kenna goal which was in the same voting was way better because it was unbelieveable.
ah, alright i know this newspaper name but never read it though
. i thought it would be some crap newspaper.
*Glow*
Oct 18 2005, 12:54 PM
It was his goal vs South Africa
No we don't read crap, we read HAZ and Stern
energy41
Oct 18 2005, 01:01 PM
QUOTE(Black Angel @ Oct 18 2005, 06:54 PM)
It was his goal vs South Africa
No we don't read crap, we read HAZ and Stern
oh man, this was not a great goal, just hype
.
but this was goal of the month september
and not goal of the week last saturday.
i don't read crap too, i read BILD and FIVE
*Glow*
Oct 18 2005, 01:25 PM
it was goal of the MONTH? God, stupid people
Sorry, but Bild is crap
saviola10
Oct 18 2005, 04:35 PM
i think his a pretty good player.even if he is hyped alot its no problem cause it happens every young pkayer.
rooney hyped alot
robinho cant believe people think his great when he cant even hold up the ball & doesnt know how to pass
ankorion
Oct 23 2005, 05:21 PM
I tink one reason for Podolski being hyped is that Germany only has one real star on international level, and that is Ballack (okay, Kahn is still very good). Compare that to England (which has the best team for 40 years) or Brazil. They have 11 Ballacks
I claim that it`s just normal, especially for a young player like podolski. Nevertheless
he's got one of the best left feet Germany ever had.
sandesh
Oct 23 2005, 05:26 PM
If podolski is being hyped, what do we say about messi? Obviously young players get hyped and they should to an extent. Young prospects should excite football fans or there will be not much incentive to watch football. When the hype gets too big and harms the player's performance, then it turns sour.
ankorion
Oct 23 2005, 06:41 PM
QUOTE
When the hype gets too big and harms the player's performance, then it turns sour.
I absolutely agree, but at this point I am not very concerned, according to Lukas Podolski. He is a very humble guy....
When he scored an amazing hattrick against south africa, he didn't really care about the journalist saying how amazing his goals were. He just said:
"greetings to my mother. It was her birthday last weekend"
Smokerash
Oct 24 2005, 12:59 AM
He young and Talent. All the ball he creat or score is beatifully.
Hmm i think for Germany world cup next year he will be the key player.
I think they can play him with Kuranyi .
I hope that some big club can buy Lukas Podolski to their club.
Hope that Chelsea , Arsenal ,Liverpool or Fc Bayern can buy him to their club .
Pirès7
Oct 24 2005, 02:04 AM
klose+kuranyi
soccerates
Oct 24 2005, 10:03 AM
QUOTE(Pirès7 @ Oct 24 2005, 08:04 AM)
lol Kuranyi instead of Podolski.Good joke
energy41
Oct 24 2005, 10:49 AM
Klose is for sure, the other striker is still not found.
however, Podolski reacted very frustrated in interviews after the catastrophy defeat for Clogne at Frankfurt on saturday.
soccerates
Oct 24 2005, 11:16 AM
I dont think so.Podolski is only striker for sure.
Beckenbauer:"Ballack and Podolski are the only ones to be for sure in the team"
Klose is in great form.I like him too.He has some skills unlike Kuranyi who cant even stop a ball.
energy41
Oct 24 2005, 11:48 AM
i think with a look on this seasons performances Klose is safe at the moment, but i think it will most definately be the 2 strikers with the best form.
if Podolski should make it in the WCs first eleven i wouldn't mind but i don't see him and Kuranyi with their goals scored so far (3 and 2 in the Bundesliga) not for sure in the team.
+ Beckenbauer is not always right.
i would say Ballack, Schneider (nobody knows why
), Schweinsteiger and Mertesacker seem to be set at the moment.
Kischi
Oct 24 2005, 12:57 PM
Podolski is our only great striker....
Klose is just a lucky player who has no such thing as technique - half of his goals happen while hes not hitting the ball properly.... Hes only scoring against average teams.... He doesnt make any impact vs Top Teams - you can see that in international match ups and in the German nt.
energy41
Oct 24 2005, 01:22 PM
that is a good point on which i can agree on, but a player like Klose should have better chances anyway with the fact that he is the Bundesliga top scorer imo which is a massive boost for himself.
Podolski and Kuranyi don't play bad this season, but they scored just 3 goals so far, less than expected. like we all know strikers need to score goals to have good chances to make it in the team.
i think that we would not care about lucky or nasty goals or whatever when we do well in the WC next year.
Podolski was impressive in the NT this season i have to say but actually he scored one penalty in the Bundesliga this season and one goal when Sinkiewicz jumped into Podolski so that he somehow reached the balll even he was not going for it.
so he scored just one well played goal while most of Kloses goal were well done.
however, i am optimistic that Klinsmann will find the right srikers during the WC
. its cool to me as long Neuville does not play
*Glow*
Oct 24 2005, 01:50 PM
QUOTE(sandesh @ Oct 23 2005, 11:26 PM)
If podolski is being hyped, what do we say about messi? Obviously young players get hyped and they should to an extent. Young prospects should excite football fans or there will be not much incentive to watch football. When the hype gets too big and harms the player's performance, then it turns sour.
That's what came into my head a few days after I made this thread, I almost wondered why nobody said that
energy41
Oct 24 2005, 01:57 PM
QUOTE(Black Angel @ Oct 24 2005, 07:50 PM)
That's what came into my head a few days after I made this thread, I almost wondered why nobody said that
so why did you said it not youself then?
but i can agree with sandesh's comment.
a guy in my school wants to buy a barca kit with Messi on the back even he has not really seen him play
.
well, some people just believe all the hype, but its getting bad when the players believe it too and don't work on themselves anymore.
*Glow*
Oct 24 2005, 02:02 PM
QUOTE(energy41 @ Oct 24 2005, 07:57 PM)
so why did you said it not youself then?
but i can agree with sandesh's comment.
a guy in my school wants to buy a barca kit with Messi on the back even he has not really seen him play
.
well, some people just believe all the hype, but its getting bad when the players believe it too and don't work on themselves anymore.
Because I thought I'm the only one thinking so
And the last sentence is so true
energy41
Oct 24 2005, 02:18 PM
QUOTE(Black Angel @ Oct 24 2005, 08:02 PM)
Because I thought I'm the only one thinking so
And the last sentence is so true
nobody would have laughed at you for this senseful comment
its unfortunately often like this, even players like Hinkel or Hitzelsperger were not hyped too much, but they don't seem to develop anymore. Hinkel is just a sub imo for Stuttgart.
there are some more examples for that aswell.
Pirès7
Oct 25 2005, 03:30 AM
QUOTE(energy41 @ Oct 24 2005, 08:18 PM)
nobody would have laughed at you for this senseful comment
its unfortunately often like this, even players like Hinkel or Hitzelsperger were not hyped too much, but they don't seem to develop anymore. Hinkel is just a sub imo for Stuttgart.
there are some more examples for that aswell.
hinkel is okayish
Hitzelsperger i dont really like him, his goals are good though
and getting a messi shirt is just because he is famous and popular, getting a Jan Koller shirt is better than getting a Lionel Messi shirt if u want to get a better player
energy41
Mar 25 2006, 03:32 PM
8 goals for Podolski so far this season and few good performances.
This just proves that the hype is too much, it seems like people expected more from him but to be honest it isn't that surprising as we can't expect a 20 year old to rock the house consistent.
Looking on his season he isn't set in the NT IMO, needs to do more. Good player, hopefully the hype and high expectations won't this destroy this big talent.
aluba2000
Mar 26 2006, 07:19 AM
He dont look like the player i enjoyed watching the last 2 years this season.Anyone noticed that is trying to hide during the game?
Whenever someone of his teammates has the ball he tries to get into a position where he cant get the ball.Very strange behaviour.
He is scared of making mistakes after all the Hype about him i think.He need to fix this very soon or he will dissapoint at the world cup and Germany has to play with Asamoah
Strike-for-Germany
Apr 13 2006, 02:12 PM
QUOTE(ankorion @ Oct 23 2005, 05:21 PM)
I tink one reason for Podolski being hyped is that Germany only has one real star on international level, and that is Ballack (okay, Kahn is still very good). Compare that to England (which has the best team for 40 years) or Brazil. They have 11 Ballacks
Ballack is a certain style of midfield player most of the goals come from him for Germany and he can get Germany back in the game in the last minute. All Brazil players are good as are England's but they do not have 11 Ballack's. Example Lucio, Roque Junior and Ze Roberto are not on Ballack's level. Ballack has proved he can work well without star players surrounding him and giving him quality support, In recent years Brazil and England have never had to depend on one player so much as they have lots of good players and in Brazil's case they had a star line up since 1994.
Podolski is a good striker he can really put the ball away and has a decisive quality, at the moment he is playing poor and he needs to find his form, what good is it for Germany if he shows class before the world cup and not in the months preceding the world cup. Hope he finds his form real soon.
energy41
May 8 2006, 11:09 AM
Podolski is on his way to Bayern now it seems, just a question of time IMO until it will be all done.
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=38...r+Bayern+switch
Strike-for-Germany
May 8 2006, 03:12 PM
Its just what we needed. He is a real striker in the making, has the touch and instincts to go with it.
Hoeneß: "We pretty much have a deal with Lukas Podolski's management. If he doesn't come now, he'll come in a year. We'll talk to Cologne in the hope of having him in Munich by 1 July."
Source Bayern website
"Prince Poldi" as he's known has put in a transfer request to go to Bayern.
How do you think he will benefit Bayern? He has potential and now will get a chance at Champs League, I think it will go well at Bayern with the right resources and management not to mention Bayern need a good striker, the raw materials are there and Bayern can develop him further. Now he can get CL Experience and play with a stronger team.
The strengthening of link up play between Poldi and Schweinsteiger?
What do you guys think?
RockinRaul
May 8 2006, 06:48 PM
i think it is just brilliant! and since makaay renewed his contract aswell, i am fully happy. poldi can play behind the strikers, so we do not really need a replacement for ballack. pizza and makaay as strikers and poldi behind them.
oh this will be so much fun next season.
kusut
May 8 2006, 10:02 PM
yay finally. i prefer 4-3-3, because uncertainty about ze roberto contract. and karimi can play quite well i think.
cant wait to see basti+poldi combo whore
energy41
May 9 2006, 12:33 PM
Podolski will get better at Bayern I believe. But he needs time, nobody can expect him to score loads of goals and to play every game as he does with Cologne.
He still has just one full Bundesliga season behind him, he is still 20 and at Bayern he isn't the man with the big responsibility&pressure on him.
I am pretty sure that he will sit out every now and then as Magath needs to keep Podolski, Makaay, Pizarro, Guerrero and Santa Cruz happy + Bayern surely don't want him to burn out.
With 5 strikers in the squad now it wouldn't be a big surprise indeed IMO if Magath plays with 3 strikers.
Things look good with this signing but more quality is needed though this summer.
QUOTE(Strike-for-Germany @ May 8 2006, 10:12 PM)
Its just what we needed. He is a real striker in the making, has the touch and instincts to go with it.
I had already posted about this upcoming deal and as we don't need 2 Podolski threads I merged the 2 threads on him, just to let you know
.
I guess it should be better for the overview and so on, just as it was the case with the 2 NT threads when you closed the old one to avoid having 2 threads on the same topic/team/player
.
Zayne
May 9 2006, 01:49 PM
Bayern has to make a clean cut sometime. Getting Podolski is a good step forward. I just don't like most of the roster Bayern is putting up every year. It's to phlegmatic. I especially don't like the forwards. Pizarro, Santa Cruz and Guerrero never look dangerous, yet they always reach 10 to 15 goals a season. It's like Scholl said, they have to set their money on youngsters, better even homegrown youngsters. Podolski is a step in the right direction, because even if they'd get van Bommel for instance, it's not a player who sets you over the top, he's just rounding off the team.
Oh yea, Tony Gross is going to Bayern, comes from the city I live in, presumably the greatest German talent ever...looked average so far in the under 17 euro championship.
phsychyzed
May 9 2006, 05:38 PM
whoever thinks podolski is overrated surely doesnt know crap about him and didnt watch him enough....
He is germanies best player currently ...he has all the skills to develop into a legend he just needs the chance and he will prove it in the worldcup !!
Red-Dev
May 14 2006, 11:53 AM
QUOTE(sandesh @ Oct 24 2005, 12:26 AM)
If podolski is being hyped, what do we say about messi? Obviously young players get hyped and they should to an extent. Young prospects should excite football fans or there will be not much incentive to watch football. When the hype gets too big and harms the player's performance, then it turns sour.
I absolutely agree with you. many people say that messi will be the new maradona and robinho will be the new pelé. so podolski will be the new
gerd mueller? podolski is germanys biggest talent and maybe in a few years he will be on the same level as rooney. if podolski was poorly why does bayern munich want to pay 8 mio. euro for him?
and why did he receive the german goal of the month 8 times, so that he get the goal of the month most frequently in germany (more than Juergen Klinsmann)
Chenrezig
May 20 2006, 10:41 AM
There is always too much hype surrounding young players of his ability. They're always "the next so-and-so," which puts a lot of pressure on them and isn't fair at all. Hopefully Bayern fans won't expect too much of him right away and will let him develop naturally. If so, I think they'll have a wonderful player for many years to come!
Marlon
May 25 2006, 05:11 PM
Well, I've only seen him a couple of times and I think he's a very talented young player. As people above have said, young players always get hyped up, its just a part of the game. I'm sure they can all deal with this pressure.
Poldi will find it easier at Bayern I think as the pressure isn't on him, there are more senior players who have the main responsibility, so hopefully he'll be relaxed and not nervous and play very well.
One thing is for sure, he is a future star of world soccer.
Ihsan
May 30 2006, 04:10 AM
He will be a crack!!!
Kischi
May 30 2006, 07:02 AM
Hes not in Munich yet
.
Bayern just tries to sign him before the World Cup starts as they probably know that he may shine in June and his price tag will rise again.
Matieo10
Jan 14 2008, 03:28 PM
How has he been playing so far for Bayern Munchen?
ankorion
Jan 15 2008, 05:40 PM
Well, sometimes he playes absolutely brilliant, but most of the time he sits on the bench, and when he comes in, he doens'r really influence the game most of the time. But you have to admit: There is Klose and Toni!!!
He himself said that "there is nothing to substitude"
Pupesh
Jan 15 2008, 07:54 PM
Hmm, this season he's had 2 good games - against Bolton and Gladbach and I'm tired of repeating myself if he's so brilliant why didn't he perform last season when he had all the time in the world(most of you say he hasn't being given a chance - LOL!) As i think i already said the only good thing about Klinsmann is that Schweini and Poldi will probably start playing well, but i doubt it as he obviously considers his club games as "fun in the park" between his national team games...
Matieo10
Jan 16 2008, 01:50 PM
I hope those 2 start playing well, so much potential and ability to play entertaining football. I would love to see them goto the top. They can be great.
ankorion
Jan 16 2008, 04:42 PM
Well, yes. But you have to admit that esp. Schweinsteiger had ENOUGH chances to prove himself. But he didn't. And that is the difference between a great player and a player with great potential. Schweinsteiger has great potential, no doubt. But everytime he has a new girlfriend or just broke up with the old one, he plays bad. And in the meanwhile, too
. You have to admit that he is defenitly not on the (atm) very high Bayern level. He just can't compete with Ribery (obviously) and not even with Altintop or Borowski, who will join Bayern at the beginning of next season.
Matieo10
Jan 18 2008, 07:56 PM
Well I haven't personally seen Schweinsteiger week-in, week-out for Bayern Munchen, but for Germany he's done well IMO. Done well with the enormous amount of competition in that German midfield (Deisler doesn't count
).
...but if it is true what you're saying about his girlfriends and personal life, then I think this is a serious case. He can't be hung up over these bitches when he has a match-day every week for one of the world's biggest clubs.
urbanlegend
Jan 21 2008, 08:39 AM
I mentioned this before, and surprisingly there is an actual article on the matter, whether news or rumor:
Source: goal.com
QUOTE
Hamann: Eriksson After Podolski
Manchester City midfielder Dietmar Hamann has confirmed that Sven Goran Eriksson is trying to sign German international Lukas Podolski.
The Bayern Munich striker has been the subject of much speculation since he admitted that he might look for a new club at the end of the season after spending much of this season on the bench.
"Sven asked me what I thought of Lukas," revealed Hamann in the News Of The World. "I told him that Podolski is quick, skilful and dangerous in front of goal. Lukas is the striker at the top of Eriksson's wish list. He wants to sign him at all costs."
Eriksson could soon find he is treading on thin ice. Bayern Munich general manager Uli Hoeness has slammed his opposite number at Stuttgart for expressing an interest in signing the player.
"It's not correct to start flirting with a player who still has a two-and-a-half-year contract at another club," roared Hoeness. "I don't know how Stuttgart would react if we said we were interested in Mario Gomez."
Bayern president Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has been more polite in fending off Man City's advances.
It is normal that some clubs are interested in our player," said the former German international. "Our next manager Jurgen Klinsmann has communicated to us a list of the players that are going to be part of his project, and Podolski's name is included."
He also rubbished rumours of a £12 million price-tag for the 22-year-old.
"Podolski has been under-rated, he is worth much more money. Manchester City are one of the clubs interested but for us this file is closed."
dreamlander
Jan 21 2008, 08:56 AM
Not too surprised with this link to be honest. Eriksson has been linked with EVERY single available forward who is of a non English nationality it would seem. He brought in Castillo who has since gotten injured, same with Bojinov and now all he has left are Samaras, Vassell and Bianchi! He seems to have soemthing odd against the Italian though as at every possible opportunity he drops the guy no matter how well he plays.
dootz dootz
Jan 21 2008, 09:00 AM
And Bianchi always comes back on in the second half and saves the day.
dreamlander
Jan 21 2008, 09:04 AM
QUOTE(MrVandersexxx @ Jan 21 2008, 02:00 PM)
And Bianchi always comes back on in the second half and saves the day.
Ya, its bizarrre. he always has an impact and looks lively and gets a few chances off....the fans love him too! It just boggles me every time I see Mpenza or Vassell start and him on the bench!
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