Nipples
Oct 21 2005, 05:08 PM
You (might have) heard it here first! Should be a good game.
jrlm8
Oct 22 2005, 12:11 PM
DO you have a link for this?
And thanks a lot for the info, greatly appreciated. We don't hear anything in the US so this was the first time i heard about this game.
GoonerMarc
Oct 22 2005, 12:42 PM
It was supposed to have been Portugal but it now looks like it'll be the USA.
Game is in early November.
Nipples
Oct 22 2005, 12:51 PM
12th November, its not on any of the official websites yet, but it is 100% true. Expect an announcement in the next few days. Any ideas how mnay travelling fans we can expect?
Who would you say are your most dangerous players? I think it will be a close game, with Scotland to sneak it 3-2
jrlm8
Oct 22 2005, 05:50 PM
To be honest, I would expect a 100 or 200 fans max. We really don't have a great following in Europe, and its quite a journey from the States to get over there.
I don't know who will be called in for this. If Onyewu is called in, he is one to watch for. He plays in Belgium now, he is a central defender. He just looks like a beast out there.
I guess Donovan might get a call too. (I seriously doubt the Galaxy will be in the MLS Cup final.) Donovan is a forward/midfield. When he wants it, he can play with the best. He just has the attitude problem sometimes.
I saw the Scotland vs Italy game a while back. In Italy, Scotland looked pretty good. Barring some well taken free-kicks it was a very close game. I am looking forward to this. Thanks for the info nipper
fakemadrid
Oct 22 2005, 11:59 PM
Like jrlm8 I wouldn't expect too many travellers. It's just too far for us to make the trips, especially when a lot of us spend thousands just travelling to our home games around the country.
Scoreline: I'd like to predict a 2-1 win for the USA. That's my bias and hope thrown in to one prediction.
bob
Oct 23 2005, 09:04 PM
It'll be a cold truth.
3 - 1 to Scotland.
jrlm8
Oct 24 2005, 12:16 AM
Confirmed by the NY Times
United States Soccer is expected to announce Monday that the national team will play an exhibition match in Scotland on Nov. 12, a day before the M.L.S. Cup.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/sports/s...D6PA&oref=loginits going to be a very close game either way. 1-0 or 2-1 scotland plays well at home. Holland and Italy have not been able to beat them there in games that matter so i wouldnt expect US to walk in and whoop up on them. I am saying now 2-1 Scotland but when rosters are announced that will probably change
Blackwater Park
Oct 24 2005, 07:34 AM
I look forward to it. Should be a close game and we might just see how bad the official FIFA world rankings are when USA who are ranked 7th in the world come up against Scotland who are 64th in the world. We've got a decent record against really good teams at Hampden. Germany and Italy drew 1-1 with us and we beat Holland 1-0 (we won't talk about what happened next though

) but then we can get beat by Belarus at home who hadn't won an away game in ages.
Our record against the US isn't too bad. Played 4, won 2, drew 1 and lost 1 but we haven't played the US since 1998.
Joshinho
Oct 24 2005, 08:44 AM
I'll save my predictions until the roster is announced but my initial reaction is that Scotland will win by a goal....part of that is thinking that Arena will play a B+ team....half starters & half players on the bubble?
This is a good friendly though....Scotland has a decent team so this is good preparation imo.
jrlm8
Oct 25 2005, 06:50 PM
Reyna has been ruled out for the Scotland friendly after being hurt against Arsenal this weekend.
Now knock on wood, if LA makes it to the MLS Cup, our midfield is going to be hurting big time if LD can't play either.
Starting to get the feeling we will see new faces in Scotland as well......
CaptainCarrots
Oct 26 2005, 09:55 AM
Scotland are under-ranked by FIFA and can be dangerous when they put their mind to it.
USA should still win comfortably though, as the dividends are being paid for investing in youth in the United States.
Kroldrup
Oct 31 2005, 07:09 PM
Has the squad been picked already?
fakemadrid
Oct 31 2005, 07:29 PM
Not that I know of Kroldrup. If anyone sees it be sure to post it here.
jrlm8
Nov 1 2005, 01:46 AM
No roster, but the time of the game is 11 am et 8 am pt. It is on FSC supposedly.
Blackwater Park
Nov 3 2005, 08:50 AM
Scotland announced their squad today.
Goalkeepers - Robert Douglas (Leicester), Ryan Esson (Aberdeen), Craig Gordon (Hearts).
Defenders - Graham Alexander (Preston), Russell Anderson (Aberdeen), Gary Caldwell (Hibernian), Steven Caldwell (Sunderland), Christian Dailly (West Ham), Steven Pressley (Hearts), Andy Webster (Hearts), David Weir (Everton).
Midfield - Scott Brown (Hibernian), Barry Ferguson (Rangers), Darren Fletcher (Man Utd), Paul Hartley (Hearts), Neil McCann (Southampton), Lee McCulloch (Wigan), Ian Murray (Rangers), Nigel Quashie (Southampton), Jamie Smith (Aberdeen).
Forwards - James McFadden (Everton), Shaun Maloney (Celtic), Garry O'Connor (Hibernian), Derek Riordan (Hibernian).
Joshinho
Nov 3 2005, 01:27 PM
As usual, Arena is taking his time in getting the roster out to the media.
jrlm8
Nov 3 2005, 06:50 PM
QUOTE(Joshinho @ Nov 3 2005, 10:27 AM)

As usual, Arena is taking his time in getting the roster out to the media.

He may be waiting for the Conference finals to be decided. No reason to rush the issue. It will be mostly European, it will probably look somewhat like this:
GK: Keller, Hanheman
Defenders: Onyewu, Lewis, Bocanegra, Berhalter, Cherrundolo, Spector
Midfield: Beasley, Clark, Convey, (hopefully) Mastro, Gaven, West
Forwards: McBride, i dk about the rest twellman maybe, cooper maybe, Ching?
Joshinho
Nov 3 2005, 08:09 PM
QUOTE(jrlm8 @ Nov 3 2005, 05:50 PM)

He may be waiting for the Conference finals to be decided. No reason to rush the issue. It will be mostly European, it will probably look somewhat like this:
GK: Keller, Hanheman
Defenders: Onyewu, Lewis, Bocanegra, Berhalter, Cherrundolo, Spector
Midfield: Beasley, Clark, Convey, (hopefully) Mastro, Gaven, West
Forwards: McBride, i dk about the rest twellman maybe, cooper maybe, Ching?
That is a very good point. For once he has a good excuse. But he is almost always "late" in announcing the roster.
jrlm8
Nov 3 2005, 08:17 PM
Didnt some media guy ask him about it?
I think he said why give the other team the advantage of knowing who you will have by releasing a roster so early.
I don't know, that could be from somewhere else but I think thats Arena-esque.
Beats me though, Arena is a man of mystery. And thankfully not the 6-3-1 Steve Sampson kind of mystery.
It looks like Eddie Lewis and Bobby Convey both won't be there for this game. Leeds manager requested that Eddie be left off the roster, and Bobby requested he be left off the roster after picking up a calf injury on Tuesday.
Landon Donovan has indicated that if the Galaxy lose today, both he and Herculez Gomez will be in Scotland for the game.

(I still want the Galaxy to win though)
Jimmy Conrad has said that he will be going to the game in an interview with goal.com.
PSV has said the Damarcus Beasley will be joining his side for international duty during the break.
Roster will be released Monday after the MLS Conference Finals are over.
GoonerMarc
Nov 6 2005, 02:22 PM
I'm going to this game on Saturday, any American players i should look out for?
jrlm8
Nov 6 2005, 05:10 PM
Onyewu and Beasley probably. Onyewu has been linked with Man U, he is a central defender. I am assuming he will be called in. Beasley is a left midfielder who could play up top, you might know him from PSV.
I'll know more tomorrow when the US roster is announced.
Joshinho
Nov 7 2005, 10:24 AM
QUOTE(jrlm8 @ Nov 3 2005, 07:17 PM)

Didnt some media guy ask him about it?
I think he said why give the other team the advantage of knowing who you will have by releasing a roster so early.
Here is the benefit: It gives the media something to talk about. This is free advertising and marketing for the game. It gives more opportunity for hype. In this case, it does make sense to withhold the roster since the MLS cup teams were just decided. However, in general, Arena is very late in releasing the roster. For a friendly, who cares about the preparedness of the other team?! These games are meaningless and increased marketing is much more valuable than any sort of element of suprise for a meaningless friendly (imo).
GoonerMarc,
Indeed, Jrlm8 is right, if Onyewu is called in, keep your eye on him. He is a MONSTER and I think he is very close to being ready to play at a "big" club (i.e. Arsenal, Real Madrid, etc.). He just needs to improve his skills on the ball and curb his card collecting a bit and I think he'll be ready for that level in a year or so.
Other than that, possible players would be Feilhaber (who I doubt would start though). Once Arena names his Roster, I'll give a run down on my opinions of each player.
EDIT: I just read that Arena is releasing the roster tomorrow. Man, he doesn't know the roster yet?? The game is in FIVE DAYS. They should be leaving on a plane TODAY to give themselves a couple days rest. The only thing that would make sense to me would be if Arena was wrestling with the higherups about something. I mean, regarding the uncertainty of the finals, I would have known IMMEDIATELY after Sunday's games, who is coming.
Ah well, it's just a friendly. Still a bit odd.
jrlm8
Nov 7 2005, 06:37 PM
He is wrestling with Sir Alex Ferguson over Rossi, or trying to convince Rossi to play for us.....Ohh how I wish.
Arena has alot to deal with though for this game. As meaningless as it is, there are no midfielders available. With Reyna, JOB, Donovan, Convey, Martino, Mapp, Dempsey all unavailable for one reason or the other, there are no attacking midfielders in this game for us. We are going so far down on the depth chart that Mr. Adu, might have gotten serious consideration for this game (not saying he is going to be there.)
And supposedly, Rolfe is on his way out to Scotland for this game.
Its still really weird to wait another day to release a roster. Something must be up...(lets all hope its Rossi)
Joshinho
Nov 8 2005, 09:48 AM
QUOTE(jrlm8 @ Nov 7 2005, 05:37 PM)

He is wrestling with Sir Alex Ferguson over Rossi, or trying to convince Rossi to play for us.....Ohh how I wish.
Arena has alot to deal with though for this game. As meaningless as it is, there are no midfielders available. With Reyna, JOB, Donovan, Convey, Martino, Mapp, Dempsey all unavailable for one reason or the other, there are no attacking midfielders in this game for us. We are going so far down on the depth chart that Mr. Adu, might have gotten serious consideration for this game (not saying he is going to be there.)
And supposedly, Rolfe is on his way out to Scotland for this game.
Its still really weird to wait another day to release a roster. Something must be up...(lets all hope its Rossi)
I didn't even consider Rossi. I don't know much about him or how good he is, but man, this would be a perfect opportunity since it is so close....easy travel.....meaningless friendly.....short on players.... Indeed, a perfect opportunity.
There are also so players in the Scandanavian leagues...Brian West? I read about them sometimes on Yanks Abroad. I'm guessing the roster is going to include some names we haven't seen before. I'd be very pleased to see Rolfe get a call. He certainly has potential
Joshinho
Nov 8 2005, 01:54 PM
Well, the roster is out:
Goalkeepers (2) –
Tim Howard (Manchester United), of course
Kasey Keller (Borussia Moenchengladbach) of course
Defenders (7) –
Gregg Berhalter (Energie Cottbus), whatever. He's decent but over the hill.
Carlos Bocanegra (Fulham FC), of course, but he's failed to impress me lately for the NT
Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), OF COURSE!
Jim Conrad (Kansas City Wizards), erm, I Hope Spector starts in the middle with Onyewu. Conrad is WAAAAY too lightweight for the NT.
Oguchi Onyewu (Standard de Liege), OF COURSE!
Heath Pearce (FC Norjælland), who? Wing back or central?? Whatever, I hope he's good!
Jonathan Spector (Charlton Athletic), good to see him get another call.
What about Whitbread?...especially over Conrad!
Midfielders (7) –
DaMarcus Beasley (PSV Eindhoven), of course!
Brian Carroll (D.C. United), really? interesting. More DC favortism from Bruce here, but we need depth at Dmid and maybe he could cut the mustard? He's young so that's good.
Benny Feilhaber (Hamburger SV), Good to see him get a call up.
Eddie Gaven (MetroStars), About friggin' time he got a nother call...especially if Dempsey is on duty for NE in the MLS cup.
Ben Olsen (D.C. United), huh? Over the hill, but an ok role player. Particluarly with limited selection due to injuries & MLS cup.
Santino Quaranta (D.C. United), Whatever. Has proven to be mostly ineffective, but shown glimmers of potential.
Kerry Zavagnin (Kansas City Wizards), OMG. Pure favortism. I fail to see the point in calling him up.
Forwards (4) –
Brian Ching (San Jose Earthquakes), he deserves anonther call, especially with Noonan & Twellman busy.
Brian McBride (Fulham FC), of course
Chris Rolfe (Chicago Fire), cool. I hope he impresses Bruce at least in practice.
Josh Wolff (Kansas City Wizards) WTF. More Bruce favortism. I'd MUCH rather see Cunningham get another look. How many times must we be subjected to ineffective Wolff?
Potential line up? I dunno. Maybe:
-------------------------Keller-------------------------
Cherundolo -- Onyewu -- Berhalter -- Bocanegra
-----------------Caroll or Feilhaber??----------------
----Olsen--------------Gaven--------------Beasley--
-------------Ching-------------McBride----------------
Back line, Beasley & McBride are regular starters. The rest are guys that will probably be lucky to make the Germany Roster.
Marc, people to watch:
Onyewu - Monster centerback
Beasley - you probably know him. He can be a delight on the ball but his vision for the field is lacking.
Cherundolo - very good right back, but nothing special
Gaven - young attacking midfielder. NOt sure if he'll actually start. Had a great year in 2004. This year he never really got into a groove which may have been to an injury that delayed his season.
Feilhaber - was on the U20 team and was very impressive as a holding midfielder to me. Probably too young to make an impact in this game if he is lucky enough to get on the field.
Macari.
Nov 8 2005, 03:00 PM
QUOTE(Joshinho @ Nov 8 2005, 02:48 PM)

I didn't even consider Rossi. I don't know much about him or how good he is, but man, this would be a perfect opportunity since it is so close....easy travel.....meaningless friendly.....short on players.... Indeed, a perfect opportunity.
He is good, really good. In fact people are calling him the new Zola. Obviously my opinion is likely biased in terms of judging him against other team's youngsters but in terms of comparing with United's youngsters, only Rooney and Ronaldo are better, and Rossi is two years younger than both of them. The manager has described him as the best finisher at the club, above the likes of Ruud, Ole etc. and his goals record for the Reserves backs it up.
I'd probably prefer him playing for you over Italy because I can see him often be overlooked for Italy because of where he plays not being Serie A, while he'd likely get more chances with the US, but unfortunately he will cling onto the opportunity of playing for Italy as long as it is there.
I heard him speak on the TV for the first time the other day and you can tell he's been brought up in the States with that accent

(he was born and grew up in New Jersey by the way).
By the way, How do you rate Howard? It's fair to say I'm not his biggest fan and I just noticed the 'of course' you'd put next to his name. I take it you rate him above Freidel?
Joshinho
Nov 8 2005, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(Macari. @ Nov 8 2005, 02:00 PM)

He is good, really good. In fact people are calling him the new Zola. Obviously my opinion is likely biased in terms of judging him against other team's youngsters but in terms of comparing with United's youngsters, only Rooney and Ronaldo are better, and Rossi is two years younger than both of them. The manager has described him as the best finisher at the club, above the likes of Ruud, Ole etc. and his goals record for the Reserves backs it up.
I'd probably prefer him playing for you over Italy because I can see him often be overlooked for Italy because of where he plays not being Serie A, while he'd likely get more chances with the US, but unfortunately he will cling onto the opportunity of playing for Italy as long as it is there.
I heard him speak on the TV for the first time the other day and you can tell he's been brought up in the States with that accent

(he was born and grew up in New Jersey by the way).
By the way, How do you rate Howard? It's fair to say I'm not his biggest fan and I just noticed the 'of course' you'd put next to his name. I take it you rate him above Freidel?
Thanks for the info. Hopefully Rossi will wise up and realize that Italy will never be as good as the USA

(joking of course!!!). Anyway, looks as though he'll hold out for a while from what you say....oh well.
Regarding Howard....I only put "of course" due to the obvious nature of selecting him. Actually, I think I'd rather have Hanneman (Reading) than Howard. The thing is that Howard has great ability...just needs to hone his mental composure & decision making. Also, I think Howard has been hard done by the media on occasion (Duff's goal last year for example where the central defense let that ball float through).
Friedel has officially retired and actually, I think I'd rather have Howard than Friedel. Friedel is a solid keeper, no doubt. But he is losing his spring and I've always considered his decision making to be a bit suspect. So, in otherwords, I consider Friedel & Howard to have suspect decision making...but at least Howard is still at the top of his physical ability.......................Either way, as long as Keller stays healthy, he has a LOCK on the #1 spot. I think he is really under rated. If I were Wenger, I would have snatched him up!!! Keller is MUCH better than Lehman imo. Gladbach got a steal with Keller.
jrlm8
Nov 8 2005, 06:28 PM
I agree with Joshinho's comments about the roster. He takes two players from the KC Wizards who didnt even make the play-offs, might as well take them from Chivas USA (jk)
WHERE IS RICARDO CLARK?
I alil disappointed by Rossi not being there, but of well, i think that pretty much seals the deal for him and italy.
My Starting line-up
-------------------------Keller-------------------------
Cherundolo -- Onyewu -- Bocanegra----Spector--
------------------------Carroll------------------------
----Quaranta---------Gaven--------------Beasley--
-------------Rolfe-------------McBride----------------
Now besides McBride, these forwards are flat out terrible (except Rolfe but he hasnt played at this level yet) I dont think Ching or Wolff are capable of scoring.
Also, according to another website. Heath Pearce is an outside back with blazing speed. He runs the 100m in 10.2 Graduate out of Brandenton, went to U of Portland, plays on a mid level Danish team now.
Im saying 0-0
Joshinho
Nov 8 2005, 07:00 PM
QUOTE(jrlm8 @ Nov 8 2005, 05:28 PM)

I agree with Joshinho's comments about the roster. He takes two players from the KC Wizards who didnt even make the play-offs, might as well take them from Chivas USA (jk)
WHERE IS RICARDO CLARK?
I alil disappointed by Rossi not being there, but of well, i think that pretty much seals the deal for him and italy.
My Starting line-up
-------------------------Keller-------------------------
Cherundolo -- Onyewu -- Bocanegra----Spector--
------------------------Carroll------------------------
----Quaranta---------Gaven--------------Beasley--
-------------Rolfe-------------McBride----------------
Now besides McBride, these forwards are flat out terrible (except Rolfe but he hasnt played at this level yet) I dont think Ching or Wolff are capable of scoring.
Also, according to another website. Heath Pearce is an outside back with blazing speed. He runs the 100m in 10.2 Graduate out of Brandenton, went to U of Portland, plays on a mid level Danish team now.
Im saying 0-0
AAaahhh, interesting about Pearce. Blazing speed is ALWAYS good

I like your staring lineup because I'd like to see those folks, but I have a hunch that Arena will be his usual conservative self. That means starting known mostly know quantities which would eliminate Spector. That would also put Ching or Wolff in instead of Rolfe. Quaranta might get the start but I think he'll go with Olsen?
If it was my choice, I'd go with your exact same line up from this wacked out roster. I like that Gaven should get a good look, but I think he is still too lightweight. Hell, he hardly impressed at the U20 level. Carroll, I'd love if he shows well, but I think he's too lightweight too. I hope Feilhaber gets a good look. It would be nice to see how he does at this level.
Ah well, now I have to go about bribing my wife to let me watch both this and the MLS cup this weekend.
Tha Carter III
Nov 8 2005, 07:39 PM
:rant:
Wow bruce...
You called up some players from DC and KC that I've quite frankly never heard of.
I hate to say this but.... You suck balls Mr.Arena...You suck balls!
and other than Mcbride these forwards are rubbish!
Carroll, Zavagnin, and Quaranta getting call ups? What the hell is this!?!?!?!
The MLS Sub-par society?
The average joes of the MLS?
Bruce MNT stands for mens national team... not mediocre national team!
:end rant:
jrlm8
Nov 8 2005, 09:29 PM
As much as I hate DC United, Carrol didn't really play that poorly in the Panama game. But that may be attributal to the opponent, so that is why Carrol is there. Q is a bubble player. Olsen is a lost cause, so you got me there. Wolff has no right to be there, along with Zavagnin.
But I would be intrigued to hear what players you suggest to be there instead?
I'd think Clark and Adu would be the only ones I could think of.
Joshinho
Nov 9 2005, 10:01 AM
Yeah, I definitely agree with the criticism of selecting Zavagnin & Wolff. Olsen is a role player...utility guy. I can see calling Olsen up. While he's past his sell by date, he is still a solid player and I can see that he would be good for team leadership (on or off the field). You have to keep in mind that it's not just the best players, but the best COMBINATION of players....plus...we don't have much to select from due to injuries and the MLS cup.
Also, while Ching isn't a fantastic forward, he's a good target man and I like his work rate. Given the selection of available players, I'm happy to see him there. I prefer Noonan & Twellman over him but they have club duties.
Zavagnin, Wolff & Conrad are the ones that really get me crazy.
Wolff: I'd MUCH rather see Cunningham get a call up. Cunningham has gotten what, two call ups recently and very few minutes?! Wolff has been called a zillion times and rarely comes with the goods. Give Cunningham another shot!
Conrad: I'd personally rather see Curtin get a call up. Curtin is much more physical and I think he's much better. Moreover, as I said before, Conrad is just too light weight. Recall the clinic that Ronaldo gave him at Real Madrid? It was like me playing against my 5 year old nephew.
Zavagnin: What the hell? This guy is competent but generally invisible! I'd much rather see Mark Chung or Ricardo Clark!!! or Adu! Zavagnin is more of an Olsen type...holding more than "playmaking," hence, if Arena is looking for that guy to calm the midfield and hold the ball, I can see why Adu would be over looked...but I think Chung & Clark are better than Zavagnin & also have better potential for next summer.
Now, back to the actual friendly....I am VERY VERY worried that we will lose the battle in the midfield. As I said before, Gaven was great last year, but very inconsistent this year. I fear he is still much too lightweight for this level. Similarly for Carroll. I can very easily imagine getting over run in the midfield which could result in a very long afternoon for the US boys.
If our midfield can hold their own, then we have a good shot at getting a result. If not....then I fear a spanking. This team is
much weaker than the team we fielded against England in the summer friendly imo.
Macca
Nov 9 2005, 10:38 AM
Remember we are still trying to get ourselves back together still after the Vogts nightmare. You will be pretty big favourites, but we will fancy ourselves to put in a half decent performance and hopefully take something from the game.
In case you are interested, a few Scottish lads to look out for -
Craig Gordon - Looking like the best Scottish keeper since Andy Goram and only in his early twenties. Agile, good at crosses, massive.
Scott Brown - Young, skillfull, hotheaded midfielder, getting his first call up. Loads of talent and looks like he has controlled his temper. Will probably not start anyway, may get a run out later on.
Fletcher speaks for himself. Keane can criticise him all he wants, we rave about him because he plays out of his skin for us.
Paul Hartley has been the best Scottish midfielder in the SPl by a mile for a few seasons now. Great player.
All four of our attackers and young and talented. I think the oldest will be 23. Mcfadden plays for Everton, Riordan and O'Conner score for fun at Hibs and Maloney has been setting the world alight at Celtic.
Youngest scottish squad I have seen in ages. Shame we are missing Miller and Beattie up fron though, goals may be hard to come by.
Joshinho
Nov 9 2005, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(Macca @ Nov 9 2005, 09:38 AM)

Remember we are still trying to get ourselves back together still after the Vogts nightmare. You will be pretty big favourites, but we will fancy ourselves to put in a half decent performance and hopefully take something from the game.
In case you are interested, a few Scottish lads to look out for -
Craig Gordon - Looking like the best Scottish keeper since Andy Goram and only in his early twenties. Agile, good at crosses, massive.
Scott Brown - Young, skillfull, hotheaded midfielder, getting his first call up. Loads of talent and looks like he has controlled his temper. Will probably not start anyway, may get a run out later on.
Fletcher speaks for himself. Keane can criticise him all he wants, we rave about him because he plays out of his skin for us.
Paul Hartley has been the best Scottish midfielder in the SPl by a mile for a few seasons now. Great player.
All four of our attackers and young and talented. I think the oldest will be 23. Mcfadden plays for Everton, Riordan and O'Conner score for fun at Hibs and Maloney has been setting the world alight at Celtic.
Youngest scottish squad I have seen in ages. Shame we are missing Miller and Beattie up fron though, goals may be hard to come by.
Macca,
How do you rate the overall strength of the Scottish roster for this match though? I know you guys are recovering from Vogts etc. But to me, it seems this squad is pretty close to a "full strength" squad for you. Comparitively, for us, we are likely to have 4 players (inlcuding both central midfielders) in our STARTING 11 that probably WON'T even make the trip to Germany. Our Defense is pretty much full strenght (though Berhalter is old and more likely to be on the bench). McBride is a probably starter in Germany as is Beasley, but our other 3 midfielders & striker that will start are 3rd or 4th string... i.e. probably won't be called to Germany.
Hence, given the weakness at the key roles of central midfield, supporting strker & right midfield, I feel that Scotland have an advantage in this game. Additionally, I'm not sure how much rest we will have. Our roster was just announced yesterday. I'm not sure when the US based players (Ching, Rolfe, Gaven, Carroll) are getting on the plane.
BTW, thanks for the "players to watch", Kendo.
jrlm8
Nov 9 2005, 07:37 PM
I find it funny how both teams are complaining about forwards. Arena said he went thru a list of 18 players that he wanted to call in but didnt due to club issues/injuries....now that is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
The US players are already there. Pictures of the training session from today are up on the USsoccer website now.
Its really too bad Johnson got so hurt. He could have really used this game for his case in Europe. Eh, tough luck, hopefully he is back in January. I really want to see him make a comeback.
Macca
Nov 10 2005, 08:14 AM
QUOTE(Joshinho @ Nov 9 2005, 04:42 PM)

Macca,
How do you rate the overall strength of the Scottish roster for this match though? I know you guys are recovering from Vogts etc. But to me, it seems this squad is pretty close to a "full strength" squad for you. Comparitively, for us, we are likely to have 4 players (inlcuding both central midfielders) in our STARTING 11 that probably WON'T even make the trip to Germany. Our Defense is pretty much full strenght (though Berhalter is old and more likely to be on the bench). McBride is a probably starter in Germany as is Beasley, but our other 3 midfielders & striker that will start are 3rd or 4th string... i.e. probably won't be called to Germany.
Hence, given the weakness at the key roles of central midfield, supporting strker & right midfield, I feel that Scotland have an advantage in this game. Additionally, I'm not sure how much rest we will have. Our roster was just announced yesterday. I'm not sure when the US based players (Ching, Rolfe, Gaven, Carroll) are getting on the plane.
BTW, thanks for the "players to watch", Kendo.

Its a relatively strong squad mate.
No Kenny Miller (our best striker), no Criag Beattie and no Jacki McNamara.
We have a strong solid defence of Pressley, Webster, Weir and Dailly. Our midfield is strong too, with Ferguson, Hartley, Fletcher and Quashie. McCulloch, Smith and McCann can all add a bit of a wide threat too.
Up front is where we are always weak. Players have the talent, but being talented doesnt always cut it at international level.
USA are possibly ranked higher than they should be, but they are not far off their correct position. We havent made a World Cup in 2 previous attempts, or the European Championships, have never got past the first round and are still trying to recover right now. USA are a much better team, no mistake about it. Add into the fact we tend to play well in big games, rather than friendlies or against lesser teams and I would put you as favourites.
Not saying we can't win it, we certainly can the way we have been playing, but it will be tough and more than likely a 1-0 if we do. We will be quite confident after our recent run of results, so a lot will depend on how you come at us. If you attack, you will play into our hands, we thrive on teams coming at us and then we hit on the attack.
looking forward to it though.
46 Miles
Nov 10 2005, 08:56 AM
Why no Adu in the squad??
Joshinho
Nov 10 2005, 09:56 AM
QUOTE(Macca @ Nov 10 2005, 07:14 AM)

Its a relatively strong squad mate.
No Kenny Miller (our best striker), no Criag Beattie and no Jacki McNamara.
We have a strong solid defence of Pressley, Webster, Weir and Dailly. Our midfield is strong too, with Ferguson, Hartley, Fletcher and Quashie. McCulloch, Smith and McCann can all add a bit of a wide threat too.
Up front is where we are always weak. Players have the talent, but being talented doesnt always cut it at international level.
USA are possibly ranked higher than they should be, but they are not far off their correct position. We havent made a World Cup in 2 previous attempts, or the European Championships, have never got past the first round and are still trying to recover right now. USA are a much better team, no mistake about it. Add into the fact we tend to play well in big games, rather than friendlies or against lesser teams and I would put you as favourites.
Not saying we can't win it, we certainly can the way we have been playing, but it will be tough and more than likely a 1-0 if we do. We will be quite confident after our recent run of results, so a lot will depend on how you come at us. If you attack, you will play into our hands, we thrive on teams coming at us and then we hit on the attack.
looking forward to it though.

Thanks Macsta.
I agree that our ranking is off but not by more than 10 spots. However, THIS team we are bringing is very well below our "normal" level. Again, we will probably START 4 players that probably won't even make the trip to Germany. Jrlm8 said that Bruce Arena went through a list of 18 players that are unavailable for injury or club duty. That says a lot. Half the the starting 11 are regulars or likely substitutes for Germany....but our central midfield is WEAK. Again, keep in mind that it is likely that the two central midfielders that will start are players that will be VERY lucky to make the trip to Germany.
In my opinion, Scotland SHOULD control the midfield, which, of course, is the key to controlling a game. I'm not saying that this USA midfield is incapbable of competing, but I rate it as unlikely. I think our best option to get a result is packing the midfield and playing the long ball counter....which could make for a dull match
GoonerMarc
Nov 11 2005, 07:14 AM
QUOTE(Joshinho @ Nov 8 2005, 06:54 PM)

Marc, people to watch:
Onyewu - Monster centerback
Beasley - you probably know him. He can be a delight on the ball but his vision for the field is lacking.
Cherundolo - very good right back, but nothing special
Gaven - young attacking midfielder. NOt sure if he'll actually start. Had a great year in 2004. This year he never really got into a groove which may have been to an injury that delayed his season.
Feilhaber - was on the U20 team and was very impressive as a holding midfielder to me. Probably too young to make an impact in this game if he is lucky enough to get on the field.
Cheers i'll keep an eye on them.
Is Onyewu the guy in jrlm8's avatar? He cerainly looks like a big lad, need to keep an eye on him at set peices.
Yeah i know Beasley quite well, he's played in the Champions League against Arsenal a couple of times. Very talented player, would you say he is your best player that will be playing tomorrow?
Can't say i've heard of the other three, i'll take note of them though if they play.
As for the game well you have to be favourties, we can win but this is the sort of game we tend to lose especially in recent times.
Over the last few years we have lost to Ireland, Denmark, Austria, Romania, Hungary, Norway and Belarus at Hampden, our national stadium just isn't the fortress it once was. We'll need a great performance to win tomorrow.
As Macca was saying Miller, Beattie and McNamara have been out for a while, and this week Barry Ferguson and Lee McCullough have pulled out.
They wont be too much of a miss as we have Quashie to come into the midfield and we'll see Jamie Smith and Scott Brown - two deserved newcomers - play some part.
Upfront will be intresting though, Maloney deserves a start with the way he has been playing for Celtic this season. I'd like to see Gary O'Connor along side him with Riordan coming on the second half.
Whatever team we play though the USA will be hot favourites. Looking forward to it anyway, Hampden is always a great stadium to go too.
Blackwater Park
Nov 11 2005, 08:01 AM
I see Ferguson has pulled out of the Scotland but I don't think thats too much of a worry since he was missing when we beat Slovenia 3-0 during one of our best away performance for many a year.
I'd like to see Maloney start especially after the goal he scored against Rangers (http://x100.putfile.com/videos/d7-31217133957.wmv - its about 1 minute 40 seconds into the video) Just to think Aberdeen almost got him on loan at the start of the season.
Hopefully we'll see one or two players who prove against the US that they are ready for international football.
Joshinho
Nov 11 2005, 09:29 AM
Marc,
Yes, the lad in Jrlm8's avatar is Onyewu. Btw, I LOVE that avatar. That was the WC qualifier in USA where we beat Mexico 2-0. Borgetti was talking shit to Onyewu (who owned Borgetti allllllll game). Anyway....Onyewu just looked at him...didn't say anything....looked at him like "are you talking to me?" It was hilarious.

He's tall and built like a freakin' body builder...and he has decent pace...no Henry...but he holds his own. He just needs to curb his physical play a bit.
I can't believe you are considering USA as favorites!! I would CERTAINLY say our "regular" team would be hot favorites....but his is FAR FAR FAR from our "regular" team. As Jrlm8 said, Arena went through a list of 18 players that he couldn't call up due to injury or club commitments.
Keep in mind that it is very unlikely that either of the two starting midfielders tomorrow will make the trip to Germany! That means you SHOULD have a considerable advantage in the middle of the park. This USA team is VERY deficient in the midfield. Indeed, you Scots are infamous for pessimism about your team!
One thing to note, I had tipped either Carroll or Feilhaber to start at Dmid. I just realized that it is probably more likely for Zavagnin to start in that position. Zavagnin is competent....but still nothing special and barely on the bubble....I mean he COULD make the team for Germany but he's a bit of a long shot to make the roster.
I would say that Beasley & Onyewu are the best players in the field for us tomorrow. However, I would say that Keller is our best player. Beasley can have games of brilliance but he can also be invisible. Keller is consistently EXCELLENT for us. I still can't believe that a top club didn't pick him up. He's WAY better than Lehman in my book.
Joshinho
Nov 11 2005, 01:00 PM
McBride pulled out with a groin injury....
So I'm revising my guess at Arena's starting 11 as (including my remembering Zavagnin's liklihood):
-------------------------Keller-------------------------
Cherundolo -- Onyewu -- Berhalter -- Bocanegra
-------------------------Zavagnin---------------------
----Olsen--------------Gaven--------------Beasley--
-------------Ching-------------Wolff----------------
Goalkeepers (2) –
Tim Howard (Manchester United), of course
Kasey Keller (Borussia Moenchengladbach) of course
Defenders (7) –
Gregg Berhalter (Energie Cottbus),Carlos Bocanegra (Fulham FC),
Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96),
Jim Conrad (Kansas City Wizards),
Oguchi Onyewu (Standard de Liege),
Heath Pearce (FC Norjælland),
Jonathan Spector (Charlton Athletic),
Midfielders (7) –
DaMarcus Beasley (PSV Eindhoven),
Brian Carroll (D.C. United),
Benny Feilhaber (Hamburger SV),
Eddie Gaven (MetroStars), Ben Olsen (D.C. United),
Santino Quaranta (D.C. United),
Kerry Zavagnin (Kansas City Wizards),
Forwards (4) –
Brian Ching (San Jose Earthquakes),
Chris Rolfe (Chicago Fire),
Josh Wolff (Kansas City Wizards)
Blue are players that are on the bubble for a roster spot in Germany and red is VERY unlikely to make the trip.
fakemadrid
Nov 12 2005, 12:26 AM
Sigh... Not our best lineup, to say the least. We'll be missing our midfield, Donovan and Mastroeni are solid players. Defensively we're looking pretty good, Keller is a rock, I have a few concerns about Behralter, he's a bit old. Typical Bruce Arena call ups... :/
GoonerMarc
Nov 12 2005, 07:19 AM
Our lineup by the way.
------------------------Gordon-----------------------
--------------Webster---Pressley---Weir------------
----Alexander-------------------------------Dailly---
------------Fletcher----Hartley----Quashie---------
------------------O'Connor---McCann---------------
Pretty dissapointed with the attacking threat to be honest, it's the same sort of formation that failed against Belarus with playing just the one striker, McCann will drift left all game and wont offer much support to O'Connor.
On paper it should be a pretty comfortable day for your defence, hopefully im proved wrong though.
Arsenal CF
Nov 12 2005, 10:21 AM
I'd love to see Gaven Start, but I don't he will...
Anyone got a link to watch this game, I freaken don't have FSC..
COME ON USA!!!! 30 more minutes!
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This isn't a very strong team for USA...where's Donovan? Mcbride is out... ROLFE????
why not give Twellman more time?
JohanNeeskens
Nov 12 2005, 11:19 AM
Just came across the BBC and they said USA got a penalty and are 1-0 ahead. That's all, I am waiting for England-Argentina and later of course Oranje-Azurri!
fakemadrid
Nov 12 2005, 12:11 PM
LETS GO USA. Tied 1-1 at half.
RK27
Nov 12 2005, 12:21 PM
Us Scots are playing well I'd say, is this what you expected?
fakemadrid
Nov 12 2005, 01:04 PM
The game ended in a 1-1 draw, with the USA in heavy favor shot-wise. Bocanegra has a strained hamstring, hopefully it's not too bad.
     
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