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If you listen to the lyrics to Chris' WWE theme music, it really goes with what happened
Some people are so quick to judge, we all have mad moments ourselves but maybe not this mad. I didn't hear of the bible thing, someone said he shot himself? Well i heard he hung himself. So the story is not straight then.
R.I.P to all 3, don't judge Chris on this one thing...even tho he was known for domestic violence.
God is with you now
R.I.P to all 3, don't judge Chris on this one thing...even tho he was known for domestic violence.
God is with you now
Speechless and still shocked at this. Really puzzles me. The guy was so emotional and seemed to be one of the more sensitive guys I have seen interviewed, in the Eddie Gurerro case for example. We have no idea why this happened, how it came about, but no matter, its still a very unpleasant story.
I feel real sad about this whole situation. Benoit was on of the true ring greats, but this is gonna blemish everything....and I dont know if we will ever know why!
I feel real sad about this whole situation. Benoit was on of the true ring greats, but this is gonna blemish everything....and I dont know if we will ever know why!
he killed his wife with a cable cord...strangled his son to death...and then hung himself....he hung himself 1-2 days after he killed both of them...im honestly guessing why he killed himself...i think he killed himself because he later found out what had happened after the whole roid rage thing where he killed his wife and his son and then killed himself...but i am quick to judge. Why can't WWE superstars see this and stop taking steroids. More than one before them have died so they still decide to take it. Can't Chris Benoit see that steroids and drinking was a big part in him losing one of his best friends Eddie Guerrero. I mean when is the WWE going to take full responsibilty for this and have a stricter drug policy?...i mean half of the WWE superstars honestly look like they are on roids. You possibly cannot look that big like honestly. NFL stars are big and they have like the best workout stations and some of the best trainers int he world but WWE superstars look bigger than most NFL players. What does this tell u?...that they train harder?...No it tells you that half of this guys are on roids. And what's going to happen now?...absolutely nothing because Vince McMahon doesnt care for anything but his money. So wrestlers are just going to keep dying. That's why i stopped watching wrestling a long time ago.
you are a true WWE fan now aint u? And i think steroids would drive a man to do such things. And ya the prescribed drugs found in Chris Benoits house was from a clinic in Orlando that was recently raided and 6ppl plead guilty to steroids distribution including both the owners who had recently sent Chris Benoit 2packages through mail to his house in Atlanta. and btw 20 more are still pending after being arrested. And you tell me it wasn't steroids. Also Anabolic steroids were also found in his home. O ya and Chris Benoit had also been with a doctor for low testosterone levels which could be linked to previous use of steroids. Now you tell me if he was taking steroids or not and if it was one of the reasons for his madness
QUOTE(Baros @ Jun 27 2007, 12:20 AM) 
1. [b]The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.
2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.
3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.
4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.
5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.
WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities[/b]
What would drive a man to do such things??
2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.
3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.
4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.
5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.
WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities[/b]
What would drive a man to do such things??
you are a true WWE fan now aint u? And i think steroids would drive a man to do such things. And ya the prescribed drugs found in Chris Benoits house was from a clinic in Orlando that was recently raided and 6ppl plead guilty to steroids distribution including both the owners who had recently sent Chris Benoit 2packages through mail to his house in Atlanta. and btw 20 more are still pending after being arrested. And you tell me it wasn't steroids. Also Anabolic steroids were also found in his home. O ya and Chris Benoit had also been with a doctor for low testosterone levels which could be linked to previous use of steroids. Now you tell me if he was taking steroids or not and if it was one of the reasons for his madness
Where are your sources? I posted the official statement from wwe.com your post is based on opinion without any facts the toxicology report hasn't even been made and btw he bound his wife's legs and hands and strangeled her a day later he smothered his son and the next day hung himsef with a cord from his weights machine
i'm seriously going to miss the sharpshooter, the diving headbutt and especially the cripper crossface. me and my cuzin used to do it on each other after seeing it. i'll say that the cripper crossface is my favorite wreslting move and it will always be RIP Chris, Nancy, and Daniel
QUOTE(d.i.d.i.p.p. @ Jun 26 2007, 05:14 PM)
No offense but equating Benoit to Hitler is fucking off the charts stupidity. I don't want to start a debate just my opinion.
For whatever reason this happened, Chris was in a state we just can't comprehend. I don't pretend to. How the fuck can anyone condemn him to hell when they don't know the stage of mind and actual events. Benoit placed a Bible next to the body of his child and wife and I just have to hope that they're together now, without whatever darkness was within their lives.
If this rage or whatever is linked to steroids it will throw the whole debate about the drug wide open. This roid-rage is debatable though.
I know my opinion won't match that of others but there you go.
Rest in peace, Nancy, Daniel, and Chris.
For whatever reason this happened, Chris was in a state we just can't comprehend. I don't pretend to. How the fuck can anyone condemn him to hell when they don't know the stage of mind and actual events. Benoit placed a Bible next to the body of his child and wife and I just have to hope that they're together now, without whatever darkness was within their lives.
If this rage or whatever is linked to steroids it will throw the whole debate about the drug wide open. This roid-rage is debatable though.
I know my opinion won't match that of others but there you go.
Rest in peace, Nancy, Daniel, and Chris.
I know its way too far fetched, but all I was trying to do was make a point. Whose fault is it that he was in that state of mind "we just can't comprehend." And why wouldn't he be in hell, because he's famous????? It's his fault that he was in that state of mind. Doesn't it say on the tablets themselves sent by none other than God "Thou shalt not murder/kill."
QUOTE(Baros @ Jun 27 2007, 06:47 PM)
Where are your sources? I posted the official statement from wwe.com your post is based on opinion without any facts the toxicology report hasn't even been made and btw he bound his wife's legs and hands and strangeled her a day later he smothered his son and the next day hung himsef with a cord from his weights machine
My sources are findings from Chris Benoit's house and what his own doctor said and what has happened in the past. So your going to go to the WWE website and get their statement. Do you honestly think Vince McMahon wants to takes responsibilty for this?...Hell NO. This is a man who faked his own death to make money. His former associates, i mean guys who sat in the same boadroom with this guy to come up with new storylines say McMahon cares for nothing but his money. He doesn't care how he gets it. I mean this is a man who has been charged before for distribution of anabolic steroids to his wrestlers. What do you think?...he wants all his guys to look appealing to the audience. Honestly i'm not trying to come up with speculation. But anybody here has got to know this has got somehting to do with steroids. His own personal doctor said that Benoit had low testostorone which could most likely be the cause of former steroids use so he treated him with more testosterone. that right there is a steroid. Telling me where are my facts. And i don't need you to tell me how he killed his family. He strangled his wife with a cord but there was blood on the scene of his wife which meant there was most likely a struggle and his then he choked his mentally retarded son to death then hung himself. And they found 10 empty beer cans of beer and an empty bottle of wiskey in the trash can.
QUOTE(Greatness @ Jun 28 2007, 09:23 PM)
My sources are findings from Chris Benoit's house and what his own doctor said and what has happened in the past. So your going to go to the WWE website and get their statement. Do you honestly think Vince McMahon wants to takes responsibilty for this?...Hell NO. This is a man who faked his own death to make money. His former associates, i mean guys who sat in the same boadroom with this guy to come up with new storylines say McMahon cares for nothing but his money. He doesn't care how he gets it. I mean this is a man who has been charged before for distribution of anabolic steroids to his wrestlers. What do you think?...he wants all his guys to look appealing to the audience. Honestly i'm not trying to come up with speculation. But anybody here has got to know this has got somehting to do with steroids. His own personal doctor said that Benoit had low testostorone which could most likely be the cause of former steroids use so he treated him with more testosterone. that right there is a steroid. Telling me where are my facts. And i don't need you to tell me how he killed his family. He strangled his wife with a cord but there was blood on the scene of his wife which meant there was most likely a struggle and his then he choked his mentally retarded son to death then hung himself. And they found 10 empty beer cans of beer and an empty bottle of wiskey in the trash can.
I agree with you 100% there, Vince doesn't give a toss about anyone. WWE doesn't want to get involved with what happened and why should they? It's none of their business. Benoit was taking Steroids and wrestlers in the WWE at the moment are taking Steroids too. So Yeah....
Stuff like this is always nasty, if he is a wrestler or a construction worker... It's sad, really, and no it's not meant as an insult against Chris Benoit. Although I DO feel that if he kills both his son AND his wife, he knew what he was doing... Killing ONE person by "accident" is understandable, but killing 2 isn't... I used to respect Chris Benoit, but I don't anymore. I don't follow the WWE at all, I was more of a wrestling fan in the WCW days... Sting 4 life XD NWO Wolfpac baby 
when is the vince story line coming back, or did they bin it because of benoit
They got rid of it because of Benoit
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Jul 26 2007, 12:48 AM)
They got rid of it because of Benoit
so what happens then lol does vince just ressurrect in a years time or so.
I think he'll continue to remain backstage for a while. I think hes a funny character, It's so funny when he says "Shhhuutttt Upppppp" to the fans 
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Jul 26 2007, 10:03 PM)
I think he'll continue to remain backstage for a while. I think hes a funny character, It's so funny when he says "Shhhuutttt Upppppp" to the fans
the way he walks to the ring makes me laugh everytime lol
haha yeah thats another funny thing of his. His theme music is quite funny too
Yesterday night on Raw, Lashley was pinned by Kennedy and Cena by Carlito.
Right, I had an argument with my m8 a while back and I just wanna get some other people's oinions.
The argument was, who was the better/more important wrestler, Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock?
We were taking everything into account. What they hadachieved in terms of titles and Royal Rumle wins etc, how good they actually were in the ring and what they did for wrestling.
My vote went to Austin. While I think that Rock was better in the ring, it was Austin who began what is known as the Attitude Era, which revolutionised WWF and helped it to gain the advantage in the ratings war with WCW. That alone makes Austin the better wrestler for me. He transformed WWF completely. Add to that he has won King of the Ring, WWE Titles, Tag Titles etc and he is surely a better wrestler all round than the Rock, who had good mic skills and was popular.
Rock wouldn't enter my top 5 Wrestlers of all time list to be honest where as Austin would.
Top 10 Wrestlers IMO
10. Randy Savage (not sure about him tbh but I couldn't think of another)
9. HHH
8. The Rock
7. Shawn Michaels
6. The Undertaker
5. Sting
4. Bret Hart
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
2. Ric Flair
1. Hulk Hogan
That is what I can come up with now but I am sure there are 1 or 2 people I have overlooked from the earlier years.
The argument was, who was the better/more important wrestler, Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock?
We were taking everything into account. What they hadachieved in terms of titles and Royal Rumle wins etc, how good they actually were in the ring and what they did for wrestling.
My vote went to Austin. While I think that Rock was better in the ring, it was Austin who began what is known as the Attitude Era, which revolutionised WWF and helped it to gain the advantage in the ratings war with WCW. That alone makes Austin the better wrestler for me. He transformed WWF completely. Add to that he has won King of the Ring, WWE Titles, Tag Titles etc and he is surely a better wrestler all round than the Rock, who had good mic skills and was popular.
Rock wouldn't enter my top 5 Wrestlers of all time list to be honest where as Austin would.
Top 10 Wrestlers IMO
10. Randy Savage (not sure about him tbh but I couldn't think of another)
9. HHH
8. The Rock
7. Shawn Michaels
6. The Undertaker
5. Sting
4. Bret Hart
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
2. Ric Flair
1. Hulk Hogan
That is what I can come up with now but I am sure there are 1 or 2 people I have overlooked from the earlier years.
Bad ratings for Raw this week, only 2.5!
I aint suprised, RAW was so poor this week
HHH is back soon lads, hope orton beats cena at summerslam then HHH vs Orton 
I'd love Triple H to interfere in the main event and screw Cena out of the title.
Pedigree or Sledgehammer and Orton pins for the 1-2-3
Pedigree or Sledgehammer and Orton pins for the 1-2-3
austin or rock wouldn't enter my all time top 5 to be honest it would go a little something like this:
1:hulk hogan
2:flair
3:bret the hitman heart
4:the undertaker
5:shawn micheals
and to answer your question i would have said the rock had more importance in wrestlying than stone cold, he was the fan favourite and "the most electifying man in sports entertainment".
1:hulk hogan
2:flair
3:bret the hitman heart
4:the undertaker
5:shawn micheals
and to answer your question i would have said the rock had more importance in wrestlying than stone cold, he was the fan favourite and "the most electifying man in sports entertainment".
QUOTE(Giacinto Facchetti. @ Aug 2 2007, 11:54 AM)
austin or rock wouldn't enter my all time top 5 to be honest it would go a little something like this:
1:hulk hogan
2:flair
3:bret the hitman heart
4:the undertaker
5:shawn micheals
and to answer your question i would have said the rock had more importance in wrestlying than stone cold, he was the fan favourite and "the most electifying man in sports entertainment".
1:hulk hogan
2:flair
3:bret the hitman heart
4:the undertaker
5:shawn micheals
and to answer your question i would have said the rock had more importance in wrestlying than stone cold, he was the fan favourite and "the most electifying man in sports entertainment".
He was the fan favourite? Austin was the most popular wrestler in the industry from like 1998 to 2000, when the Rock became popular and even then his popularity was only, IMO, equal to Austin's. When Austin turned heel against the Rock then Rock was favourite.
But popularity aside, when did the Rock revolutionise wrestling. Austin started the attitude era, which gave WWF it's highest ratings and made it more popular than WCW. Only Hogan has had such an impact on wrestling IMO. Ausin completely changed the industry, Rock was a great superstar, that's the difference.
And about Rock being the fan favourite, I have to say that I loved it when it was Rock vs Hogan at Wrestlemania X8 and Rock was the face and Hogan the Heel. The whole crowd was cheering for Hogan and booing the Rock, which kind of illustrated that nobody will ever be on Hogan's level to me.
But without Austin, the WWF may not still be here because WCW was killing WWF in ratings back in those days until Austin changed things.
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Aug 2 2007, 04:58 PM)
I aint suprised, RAW was so poor this week
I believe that it was one of the best show of last months.
Vince McMahon will be at Raw next week.
He could talk about Wellness Program.
Anyone into Puroresu (Japanese Pro-wrestling). I cant get into the WWE or TNA (I like ROH) as all the storylines, gimmicks and the style does nothing for me.
Prefer the harder hitting Japanese style and the emphasis is on good wrestling matches not wacky storylines.
Anyone on here watch Puroresu?
Prefer the harder hitting Japanese style and the emphasis is on good wrestling matches not wacky storylines.
Anyone on here watch Puroresu?
I like them both as I grew up watching them, but I have always liked Stone Cold more than The Rock. IMO, Austin can sell more tickets compared to Rocky. He is the most bad ass wrestler of all time, and he did revolutionize the wrestling scene after he won that KOTR.
In ring, they are pretty close but I'll Rock the edge. He is the better athlete in the two.
I'll name my top 5 - (In no order)
Bret Hart
Stone Cold
HHH
The Rock
Taker.
Yeah, I agree that Rock was better in the ring but, as you say, after King of the Ring, when Austin said 'Austin 3:16 said I just whooped your ass' to Jake the Snake, he changed wrestling.
El Fenomeno, how is Hogan not in your top 5??? Is it your 5 favourites?
I'll give reasons for my choice of Top 10 Ever...
10. Randy Savage- As I say I am not sure about him but he was a headliner for many years, won multiple titles and was pretty good in the ring. Also competed in what is regarded as the best wrestling match of all time against Ricky Steamboat at Wrestlemania III. High profile wrestler for over 10 years and was a big attraction for WWF and WCW.
9. HHH- He's been going for over 10 years and was part of one of the best wrestling groups of all time, Degeneration X. Has won 10 World Titles and headlined events for the last 7 years or so. Been involved in some great feuds and storylines and has been a succesful heel and face.
8. The Rock- One of the most popular wrestlers. Had possibly the best mic skills of all time. Pretty good in the ring, won multiple titles and a Royal Rumble, came 2nd at KOTR 1998 to Ken Shamrock. Was in a decent feud when he was part of the Nation of Domination against DX. Headlined events for many years, battled Hogan at WMX8 and was an all round fan favourite and good wrestler.
7. Shawn Michaels- Been going strong in WWF/WWE for about 15 years. Very good in the ring, probaly deilvers the flying elbow drop better than anyone else. Won WWF title a few times, intercontinental title, tag titles, European Titles and 2 Royal Rumbles and was the 1st man to win a Royal Rumble from entering the match first. Part of a great tag team with Marty Jannetty in the early 90's The Rockers, had a good heel angle as the HeartBreak Kid, was the leader of DX and has been in a large variety of memorable matches, Hell in the Cell, Ladder Matces etc.
6. The Undertaker- Legend sums him up really. His gimmick is one of the best ever. Was almost instantly a top guy in the industry when he became the Undertaker. He was involved in feuds with Hogan early in his career and performed some memorable matches. Has won WWF titles and Tag Title I think. Also been involved in memorable matches like Casket Matches, Hell in the Cell, Inferno Matches, Buried Alive Matches and so on. Wrestlemania record that speaks for itself. Was the leader of the memorable Ministry of Darkness and was one of Austin's main rivals back in the early Attitude years. Has done it all.
5. Sting- Practically the face of WCW for over 10 years and the biggest superstar in the history of that company and the fan favourite. Also very good in the ring with great agility and strength. Won numerous titles and won the last ever WCW match against Ric Flair. Had several different looks and was popular with all of them, beat practically everyone he fought. He was just THE MAN in WCW for a long time and refuses to sign to WWE. Also did one of the best promo's I have ever seen.
4. Bret Hart- The Best there is, the Best there was and the Best there ever will be. In the ring he is the best ever. Never injured an opponent and all his moves were done to perfection. Technically the best in ring wrestler of all time. Won WWF titles, Tag Titles, Intercontinental Title etc. Headlined events in WWF and WCW. Good as face and heel. Memorable feuds against Undertaker, HBK and Stone Cold, not to mention the most controversial moment in wrestling history, the Montreal Screwjob. Brilliant wrestler. On mere in ring ability alone he is the best.
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin- As I said, revolutionised wrestling. Started the Attitude Era. Headlined events for many years, won the most Royal Rumbles, won WWF titles, Tag Title, had some great feuds and matches, managed to finish a match after breaking his neck and was sort of the late 90's version of Hogan, very popular with the fans. Did well as face and heel. Still comes back to WWE and gets a huge reception. Also a very funny character at certain points. Beat practically everyone he wrestled. Been in Hell in the Cells, Cage Matches, 1st Blood Match, 6 man in a Cell Match etc. Won King of the Ring. His impact on wrestling is almost unequalled.
2. Ric Flair- 30 years he's been going and he is still going. 16 World Titles to his name and the 1992 Royal Rumble for the title. The Woooooo chant is legendary and his feuds with Hogan are some of the best. The Dirtiest Player in the Game is a fitting title for him. Did well in WCW and WWF, leader of the memorable 4 Horsemen gang. There is practically nothing that he hasn't done. Might just be the greatest heel wrestler of all time. Not the best in the ring but his charisma and personna make up for that and he has, a I say, done it all and he keeps going. Legend.
1. Hulk Hogan- Who else? The man who made wrestling what it is. Revolutionised it beyond what anyone has ever done or ever will do. The most popular wrestler in history, in his prime he was requested to appear at children's hospitals more than Michael Jackson or Michael Jordon. Began Wrestlemania, the biggest event in wrestling. Won numerous titles and a Royal Rumble. Feuds include Ric Flair, Undertaker and Andre the Giant. Headlined for 20 years. Was in the main event of most Wrestlemania's before his departure. Hogan vs Andre drew in the largest crowd ever in wrestling. Let's face it, nobody has ever been as popular or revolutionary in wrestling. Then shocked the world by becoming one of the best heels of all time when he joined the nWo, the reaction to that was ridiculous, people were throwing cups and bottles into the ring and so much stuff was thrown you could barely see the ring. Battled the 'People's Champion', The Rock as a heel and the whole crowd cheered for Hogan anyway and booed the Rock, illustrating who the real People's Champion is. Not enough can be said aout his popularity, impact and legacy, but it will simply never be equalled and he will forever be the Greatest Of All Time.
El Fenomeno, how is Hogan not in your top 5??? Is it your 5 favourites?
I'll give reasons for my choice of Top 10 Ever...
10. Randy Savage- As I say I am not sure about him but he was a headliner for many years, won multiple titles and was pretty good in the ring. Also competed in what is regarded as the best wrestling match of all time against Ricky Steamboat at Wrestlemania III. High profile wrestler for over 10 years and was a big attraction for WWF and WCW.
9. HHH- He's been going for over 10 years and was part of one of the best wrestling groups of all time, Degeneration X. Has won 10 World Titles and headlined events for the last 7 years or so. Been involved in some great feuds and storylines and has been a succesful heel and face.
8. The Rock- One of the most popular wrestlers. Had possibly the best mic skills of all time. Pretty good in the ring, won multiple titles and a Royal Rumble, came 2nd at KOTR 1998 to Ken Shamrock. Was in a decent feud when he was part of the Nation of Domination against DX. Headlined events for many years, battled Hogan at WMX8 and was an all round fan favourite and good wrestler.
7. Shawn Michaels- Been going strong in WWF/WWE for about 15 years. Very good in the ring, probaly deilvers the flying elbow drop better than anyone else. Won WWF title a few times, intercontinental title, tag titles, European Titles and 2 Royal Rumbles and was the 1st man to win a Royal Rumble from entering the match first. Part of a great tag team with Marty Jannetty in the early 90's The Rockers, had a good heel angle as the HeartBreak Kid, was the leader of DX and has been in a large variety of memorable matches, Hell in the Cell, Ladder Matces etc.
6. The Undertaker- Legend sums him up really. His gimmick is one of the best ever. Was almost instantly a top guy in the industry when he became the Undertaker. He was involved in feuds with Hogan early in his career and performed some memorable matches. Has won WWF titles and Tag Title I think. Also been involved in memorable matches like Casket Matches, Hell in the Cell, Inferno Matches, Buried Alive Matches and so on. Wrestlemania record that speaks for itself. Was the leader of the memorable Ministry of Darkness and was one of Austin's main rivals back in the early Attitude years. Has done it all.
5. Sting- Practically the face of WCW for over 10 years and the biggest superstar in the history of that company and the fan favourite. Also very good in the ring with great agility and strength. Won numerous titles and won the last ever WCW match against Ric Flair. Had several different looks and was popular with all of them, beat practically everyone he fought. He was just THE MAN in WCW for a long time and refuses to sign to WWE. Also did one of the best promo's I have ever seen.
4. Bret Hart- The Best there is, the Best there was and the Best there ever will be. In the ring he is the best ever. Never injured an opponent and all his moves were done to perfection. Technically the best in ring wrestler of all time. Won WWF titles, Tag Titles, Intercontinental Title etc. Headlined events in WWF and WCW. Good as face and heel. Memorable feuds against Undertaker, HBK and Stone Cold, not to mention the most controversial moment in wrestling history, the Montreal Screwjob. Brilliant wrestler. On mere in ring ability alone he is the best.
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin- As I said, revolutionised wrestling. Started the Attitude Era. Headlined events for many years, won the most Royal Rumbles, won WWF titles, Tag Title, had some great feuds and matches, managed to finish a match after breaking his neck and was sort of the late 90's version of Hogan, very popular with the fans. Did well as face and heel. Still comes back to WWE and gets a huge reception. Also a very funny character at certain points. Beat practically everyone he wrestled. Been in Hell in the Cells, Cage Matches, 1st Blood Match, 6 man in a Cell Match etc. Won King of the Ring. His impact on wrestling is almost unequalled.
2. Ric Flair- 30 years he's been going and he is still going. 16 World Titles to his name and the 1992 Royal Rumble for the title. The Woooooo chant is legendary and his feuds with Hogan are some of the best. The Dirtiest Player in the Game is a fitting title for him. Did well in WCW and WWF, leader of the memorable 4 Horsemen gang. There is practically nothing that he hasn't done. Might just be the greatest heel wrestler of all time. Not the best in the ring but his charisma and personna make up for that and he has, a I say, done it all and he keeps going. Legend.
1. Hulk Hogan- Who else? The man who made wrestling what it is. Revolutionised it beyond what anyone has ever done or ever will do. The most popular wrestler in history, in his prime he was requested to appear at children's hospitals more than Michael Jackson or Michael Jordon. Began Wrestlemania, the biggest event in wrestling. Won numerous titles and a Royal Rumble. Feuds include Ric Flair, Undertaker and Andre the Giant. Headlined for 20 years. Was in the main event of most Wrestlemania's before his departure. Hogan vs Andre drew in the largest crowd ever in wrestling. Let's face it, nobody has ever been as popular or revolutionary in wrestling. Then shocked the world by becoming one of the best heels of all time when he joined the nWo, the reaction to that was ridiculous, people were throwing cups and bottles into the ring and so much stuff was thrown you could barely see the ring. Battled the 'People's Champion', The Rock as a heel and the whole crowd cheered for Hogan anyway and booed the Rock, illustrating who the real People's Champion is. Not enough can be said aout his popularity, impact and legacy, but it will simply never be equalled and he will forever be the Greatest Of All Time.
reading all of that brought back some good memories CCT especially the infamous ministry of darkness, legendary.
My personal top ten list which is just based purely on in ring talent in no specific order:
Misawa
Kobashi
Liger
Hashimoto
Kawada
Dynamite Kid
The original Tiger Mask
Jumbo Tsurata
Sakuraba
Chris Beniot
Misawa
Kobashi
Liger
Hashimoto
Kawada
Dynamite Kid
The original Tiger Mask
Jumbo Tsurata
Sakuraba
Chris Beniot
QUOTE(capeson @ Aug 2 2007, 11:34 PM)
I believe that it was one of the best show of last months.
Vince McMahon will be at Raw next week.
He could talk about Wellness Program.
Vince McMahon will be at Raw next week.
He could talk about Wellness Program.
How can you say that. Raw this week was so predictable & the ending was so poor. Not suprised seeing as Cena was the guy that fucked it up IMO. Who laughs when Carlito spits apple in your face?
Vince Mcmahon talking about wellness policy. That would be a sight to see.
Maybe he could tell the world what a joke his companies wellness policy is and it doesnt actually do anything to combat drug users
Maybe he could tell the world what a joke his companies wellness policy is and it doesnt actually do anything to combat drug users
Starting with himself.
Vince: "I admit after all these years. I'm a hardcore steroid user"
Fans: " You suck, You suck"
Vince: " Shuuuuuuuttttupppppppp!!!"
Vince: "I admit after all these years. I'm a hardcore steroid user"
Fans: " You suck, You suck"
Vince: " Shuuuuuuuttttupppppppp!!!"
QUOTE(Giacinto Facchetti. @ Aug 3 2007, 05:07 AM)
reading all of that brought back some good memories CCT especially the infamous ministry of darkness, legendary.
Yeah, that was a great storyline. When they revealed the Higher Power, that was a classic moment. Those were some of the best times in wrestling. I don't really watch it any more because, IMO, it is crap now compared to what it was. Maybe I have just grown out of it but I really do think the WWE is pretty poor now. The wrestlers seem much poorer than the older ones and their characters aren't very good IMO.
Oh, just a point, but my m8, who does watch WWE reguarilly, says that the Great Khali or whoever he is, is supposed to be the largest WWE superstar ever and he is often called that. Is this true? Because from what I know Yokozuna was certainly heavier and I'm pretty sure that Giant Gonzalez was taller.
Maybe my m8 got it wrong though and they don't say Khali is the biggest.
Biggest Superstar or not WWE has gone downhill.
WWE has got so much less hardcore than back in the attitude era. Has anyone else noticed that there is no blood in any matches these days. WWE always has 1 Hell in a Cell a year and 1 Elimination Chamber. What ever happened to TLC matches, I loved them & also WWE need to bring back the hardcore title with 24/7 rules
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Aug 3 2007, 04:35 PM)
WWE has got so much less hardcore than back in the attitude era. Has anyone else noticed that there is no blood in any matches these days. WWE always has 1 Hell in a Cell a year and 1 Elimination Chamber. What ever happened to TLC matches, I loved them & also WWE need to bring back the hardcore title with 24/7 rules
High risk matches were always entertaining. Just get Mick Foley in a Hell in the Cell match or whatever and you're laughing. Foley vs Undertaker, King of the Ring 1998 was classic. After about 2 minutes Undertaker threw Foley off the cell through the Spanish announce table. The medical team got Foley on a stretcher and started taking him up the ramp, but he ran back down to the cell, climbed back on top and got chokeslammed through it about 1 minute later. Then he got dropped on a pile of thumbtacs and then he got chokeslammed on them as well.
Not to mention all the other crazy stuff he did.
Ric Flair went down in my opinion when he called said in his autobiography that Foley will be remembered as nothing more than a glorified stuntman. I'd like to see Flair sum up the courage to do what Foley has done. Despite being, in my opinion, the 2nd best wrestler of all time, he shouldn't talk shit about another legend like Foley.
Flair has somewhat of a point but to me its two different styles. Flair will never be known as someone who can take big bumps but Foley IMO is a person willing to put his body on the line to please the fans and get his opponent over with the audience which shows a lot of professionalism, Not saying that Flair hasn't done the same but Foley just goes that extra mile compared to him.
What's your favourite match type CCT?
What's your favourite match type CCT?
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Aug 3 2007, 05:33 PM)
Flair has somewhat of a point but to me its two different styles. Flair will never be known as someone who can take big bumps but Foley IMO is a person willing to put his body on the line to please the fans and get his opponent over with the audience which shows a lot of professionalism, Not saying that Flair hasn't done the same but Foley just goes that extra mile compared to him.
What's your favourite match type CCT?
What's your favourite match type CCT?
Favourite match type? I dunno. TLC matches were always entertaining and so are I Quit matches, which is another type of match where Foley nearly killed himself, against The Rock at Royal Rumble 1999 I believe. Also, I like the Fall Brawl matches in WCW, 2 rings surrounded by a steal cell. 6 man Hell in the Cell was decent as well. But I don't think I have a favourite match type. I base it more around who is in the match.
For instance, if it was, let's say, Perry Saturn vs Chris Jericho in a Hell in the Cell match and then Hogan vs Austin in just a normal singles match, I would be more excited about Hogan vs Austin.
So I would say I don't have a favourite match type but there are lots of match types that I like. Buried Alive matches are another example. And I really like big tag matches, like 5 men per team. I find they're always decent.
Answering your question CCT. But first I have to say, WWE has changed a lot in the past few years and now it's crap. I just watch it if anybody is going to make a special appearance like Stone Cold or Foley Etc. And just to add, Foley would be my sixth fave wrestler. That guy went through hell to entertain us. Not the best technically, but the one of the greatest entertainers ever. I have the moment when he falls of that cell on my PC, and it gives me chills just to see him fall off like that. Legend!
Tbh, Hogan never really appealed to me that much, I'm from a later generation, I respect his legacy and he was one of the biggest reasons WWF was a success. But I never really liked him all that much. But I have to admit, whenever the Real american hits the speakers, the crowd goes into a frenzy, and it shows how much he appeals to them.
Tbh, Hogan never really appealed to me that much, I'm from a later generation, I respect his legacy and he was one of the biggest reasons WWF was a success. But I never really liked him all that much. But I have to admit, whenever the Real american hits the speakers, the crowd goes into a frenzy, and it shows how much he appeals to them.
QUOTE(El Fenomeno @ Aug 4 2007, 05:05 AM)
Answering your question CCT. But first I have to say, WWE has changed a lot in the past few years and now it's crap. I just watch it if anybody is going to make a special appearance like Stone Cold or Foley Etc. And just to add, Foley would be my sixth fave wrestler. That guy went through hell to entertain us. Not the best technically, but the one of the greatest entertainers ever. I have the moment when he falls of that cell on my PC, and it gives me chills just to see him fall off like that. Legend!
Tbh, Hogan never really appealed to me that much, I'm from a later generation, I respect his legacy and he was one of the biggest reasons WWF was a success. But I never really liked him all that much. But I have to admit, whenever the Real american hits the speakers, the crowd goes into a frenzy, and it shows how much he appeals to them.
Tbh, Hogan never really appealed to me that much, I'm from a later generation, I respect his legacy and he was one of the biggest reasons WWF was a success. But I never really liked him all that much. But I have to admit, whenever the Real american hits the speakers, the crowd goes into a frenzy, and it shows how much he appeals to them.
Yeah, I have him being thrown off the cell on Video. When he came back down though and got back on the cell, he got chokeslammed through it. Actually through the steal cell and down into the ring. If you watch that bit, when he goes through the top of the cell, a steal chair falls down with him and it looks as though he is going to land on the chair at one point and break his neck.
I agree with you, a great entertainer. He could have killed himself on several occasions.
About the WWE nowadays, I don't watch it, but from the people I have seen like Cena and Khali and Carlito and Umaga and whoever else, there doesn't seem to be anyone with a good gimmick. Cena is, from what I gather, some guy who thinks he can rap, Carlito spits apples, Khali doesn't seem to have a personality. The older gimmicks were a lot better and so were the storylines.
Cena can't wrestle simple as. I prefered Hogan when he was in the NWO in WCW. Good times 
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Aug 4 2007, 04:01 PM)
Cena can't wrestle simple as. I prefered Hogan when he was in the NWO in WCW. Good times
NWO!!!! gd times
oi shane remember we were chatting about how Sheik should get his own chat show on Raw "Cuttin Sheik" they gave Carlito a show instead
"Carlito's Cabana" lolQUOTE(_smith_ @ Aug 4 2007, 05:40 PM)
NWO!!!! gd times
oi shane remember we were chatting about how Sheik should get his own chat show on Raw "Cuttin Sheik" they gave Carlito a show instead "Carlito's Cabana" lol
oi shane remember we were chatting about how Sheik should get his own chat show on Raw "Cuttin Sheik" they gave Carlito a show instead
"Carlito's Cabana" lolI liked the NWO back in the day. Just Hogan, Hall, Nash & The Giant was good enough for me.
Sheik needs his own show on Raw. Last time he appeared on Raw he was asking Coach about it and nothing has been said since
, Raw needs the Sheik 
when the fuck is the undertaker coming back he's the only reason i watch wrestling
QUOTE(Giacinto Facchetti. @ Aug 5 2007, 12:27 AM)
when the fuck is the undertaker coming back he's the only reason i watch wrestling
I dunno mate, i want him back soon as well. Smackdown have got new wrestlers coming soon, a tag team & some dude who kinda looks like Bad Ass Undertaker
Anyways anyone seen Iron sheik interviews on youtube? Legend!!!!!
QUOTE(_smith_ @ Aug 6 2007, 01:49 AM)
I dunno mate, i want him back soon as well. Smackdown have got new wrestlers coming soon, a tag team & some dude who kinda looks like Bad Ass Undertaker
Anyways anyone seen Iron sheik interviews on youtube? Legend!!!!!
Anyways anyone seen Iron sheik interviews on youtube? Legend!!!!!
Iron Sheik is the man, I heard hes signed a Legends contract in WWE. Hope to see him on Raw in the coming weeks
QUOTE(Genesis_Y3k @ Aug 6 2007, 02:13 AM)
Iron Sheik is the man, I heard hes signed a Legends contract in WWE. Hope to see him on Raw in the coming weeks
He's gonna be Ortons next victim
It would take Sheik an hour to get down to the ring if he was to be Ortons next victim. But Orton has Cena to deal with at the moment. Sheik just needs his talk show
Yo I liked wrestling too... But having a top 10 or something is nonsense... you all DO know wrestling is fake right?
QUOTE(Jek-ill @ Aug 7 2007, 12:30 AM)
Yo I liked wrestling too... But having a top 10 or something is nonsense... you all DO know wrestling is fake right?
Well yeah obviously. But you can still have a top 10. I see what ur saying though because I was trying to explain to my m8 that winning lots of titles and things doesn't make you great because you are been allowed to win them as part of a storyline. It's not as if you actually have to beat people for them.
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