all ajax fans i need your help,

i would love to know how good this player is, he is a pretty good player on football manager but how good is he in real life?? The reason i want to know this is because Ronald Koeman wants to bring him to benfica.

Would be a good player if he were able to shoot/cross/score.

I dislike him.

Pienaar is one of those players who thinks he deserves to play as a No. 10 just because he has a neat move a few times a year.

The fact is, he's above average, perhaps. Please buy him, Ronald Kankerman! Free Ajax from this unmotivated individual.

Yep, I second that. Got everything a player needs except for a strong shot/cross in his right foot.


Ronald Kankerman? Kinda over the top don't you think

Hehe, well I've got personal reasons for calling him like that.

Twice has has refused to speak to me and my mate when we visited him after a training or a friendly match (we used to take our videocamera with us and interview coaches).

He even went so far to insult my mate. Ever since we've sworn to call him Kankerman. No offense meant to anyone (except to Ronald, of course).

Here's my post on him in from the Liverpool boot room when there was discussion in bringing him to Liverpool. I think that Benfica will really struggle to get him if bigger clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool enter the race, which the reports suggests. I also know that Dortmund and a few other German clubs are reportivly interested. I really hope that Liverpool can get him, I think he'll fit well into the team.

Pienaar is dead and burried. He hasn't had any consistent form since probably the 02-03 season and he's always played out of position. Blind, the blindest tosser on the planet, is the only one who still doesn't realise that Pienaar doesn't belong at right-wing.
I doubt big name clubs will come for this guy. On the other hand, he's completely free at the end of the season, so maybe a big team might take a chance on him. If he goes to a big team, he be brought in for depth, for sure.

well there is no doubt he has talent or ability. he just has no consistancy......

he is quite good at that crazy walk thou!

He thinks hes a god, he thinks he is the best player of Ajax, he can do some neat moves sure but never gets anything from it, and when he (or de Jong scores) he;s gonna make the most idiote dance i've seen what i also dislike.
He can never shoot on goals in the rebound, always wants to volley the ball and always shoots over, he can't play with rest, he may have the talents but his personalty doesn't allow him to grow...
Plz someone, get me out of my missery and buy that fucker away from Ajax.

Yeah I fucking hate the way he celebrates.

blind: Just put Rosales on the right wing for 5 matches in succession, maybe then he'll find his old form again, making Pienaar completely obsolete.

Firstly Mate i am South African, he is talented thats for sure but inconcistent and cant dominate games and cant shoot. South African national team coach has been using him in playmaking role/ right wing but he failed except one good move in one game. So we cant tolerate that as South Africans.

If i can put it in this way he is one of the players who perfom below par in WCQ games which is the reason why we dindnt qualify. He is a Overrated here because he play overseas but infact there are many good players more than him here in SA. He is like most of the South African players talented and thats all, for example like the Guy in my Avatar(he is talented but one good game out of 10 in a season).

He is not a national team Material. I onc3 heard he refused to be interviewd by jounalist while he was on international Duty and what do u call that ? i think its Arrogant. Maybe I'm bias but he is Not whta he thinks HE IS.

Arrogant is an understatement.

I definitily wouldn't say he's he's arrogant or big headed or whatever.
Just the fact that he's played as a right winger for two years or so show's that he's a real team player.
Just take van der Vaart or Sneijder for example, they'd probably end up crying to the media after just one game on the wing. Pienaar could just as well demanded a place on the 10 spot like lots of other players tend to do, but instead he decided to play wherever the manager needed him.

Yeh, obviously he hasn't been playing at his best for a while now, but you can hardly blame it all on him.
Fact remains that he's a great player. Can choose position in between midifeld and attack like no-one else, can cause alot of trouble for the opposite side with his intelligent movement and creativity, and he usually puts in lots of effort. Shame Blind refuses to try him as a playmaker.

And about his celebrations......... In Holland we always seem to dislike anything or anyone who is or acts slightly "different".
The phrase "doe maar gewoon dan doe je al gek genoeg" pretty much says it all. I have no problem whatsoever with players who decide to be a bit more original with their celebrations. Who're we to judge someone on the way he fucking celebrates his goals.
Anyone ever wathced a NFL game? Do you hear people complaining whenever a player does one of his little dances after a touch down? Don't think so.
Just because it isn't thought of being "normal" to celebrate in a certain way people immidietly dissaprove it....

In principle I value both creativity and originality, but not everything that's new or different should automatically be praised. Let us judge all things on merit.

For example, when Pienaar celebrated his goal by pissing on the cornerflag like some streetdog.

I considered it arrogant, disrespectful and just plain banal. And let's not forget that it was preceeded by a worthless display of football - a little bit of self-restrain would have been more fitting.

Seriously, I'm an Ajax fan, but when he celebrated his goal in the above descrived fashion, I immediately regretted the fact that he had scored.


As for his qualities as a player, I do not find them impressive at all. Of course he's not a good right-winger. In fact, he's a worthless right-winger. But when's the last time he played well as a midfielder? After his injury, he's had tons of opportunities to prove himself on the midfield, and he squandered every single one of them. There's a reason why Blind has moved him to the fringe of the field. Pienaar is playing worse every year. I believe him to be a lost cause. I've never heard him criticize himself. Yes he'll occasionally have a neat move or introduce a new way to celebrate an ugly goal, but he'll never again provide consistent displays of quality football on a high level. Of that I'm quite sure.

Well, that was kinda what I meant. People immidietly label it as being disresepctfull or claim that he feels "inferior" to others. He obviously doesn't mean any harm by celebrating a certain way, you should simply see it as another way of entertaining. I really can't see what all the fuss is about....
I guess it's just a different way of looking at things

I didn't really get your last statement, saying "but he'll never again provide consistent displays of quality football on a high level"? The dude is 22. You can't possibly have the slightest clue how he'll develop himself as a player in the future. You just can't tell at such a young age what his career'll look like. Maybe he'll be leading Arsenal to the champions league in 5 years, who knows. Everything can happen in football

-Perhaps he doesn't mean any harm, but just seeing him celebrate like that, immediately evokes within me feelings of total dislike for Pienaar. It's perhaps not a rational response, but a response nonetheless.

And it's not that I automatically disapprove of new ways to celebrate. I recently saw a video of Cruyff and Keizer making all kinds of weird jumps in the air. I had never seen it before, yet it made me smile. It looked funny and showed true happiness. The latter quality is completely absent in Pienaar's celebrations. He should smile and share his happiness with the crowd. Pissing on the corner flag just doesn’t meet the criterium of spreading the player’s joy through out the stadium. Instead, he uses his goal to garner attention for himself, all the while making the crowd feel uncomfortable and ashamed. In that sense he’s being disrespectful to his own fans.


-Obviously, I can't prove that he'll never succeed. But everything I can observe right now - from his overall attitude to his recent performances with both Ajax and the SA national team - tells me that he will never reach the top. It's a prediction, and we'll have to wait to see who's right. But I'm quite sure he won't be captaining Arsenal to the CL.


And hey, the fact that Koeman wants to buy him, already seals his fate, doesn't it?

steven pienaar is so nasty, i have seen him play in person when he was 16 years old in america at the the SBP international tounrnament while he played fo SAFA transnet he was so sick with the ball it wasnt even funny

I haven't seen much of him, but from what i have seen he seems a decent player capable of match winning performances.

People!

What postion does he play?

I remember him being an attacking/central midfielder with quite a bit of trickery but i remember there being doubts about his effectiveness

Yeah he is a right/central attacking midfielder. More info on him in in the Ajax forum 2 pages from where it is right now. Another Everton had a few questions on him and we Ajax fans awnsered them.

Personally, I never really liked Pienaar that much... Thought he was arrogant and a diver...