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I think they are both the same aren't they? I might be mistaken.
No, the insole on the Adidas "Power" Predators has an extra 60g in the powerpulse insole.
60g is like the weight of a pen though........
an extra 60g will make no differce imo
an extra 60g will make no differce imo
Pathetic gimics..
It may be a gimmick, but it brings in soo much money.
And I disagree with the weight of boots. I think it is true that a heavier boot gets more power on a shot. I shoot harder with power insoles in absolutes than lightweights. Maybe its just mental haha.
And I disagree with the weight of boots. I think it is true that a heavier boot gets more power on a shot. I shoot harder with power insoles in absolutes than lightweights. Maybe its just mental haha.
Actually, it does make a difference. If you ever took a physics course you'd know that how hard you kick the ball, is how hard the ball hits you back, the added weight to the front of the shoe allows for a better acceleration which leads to a higher initial velocity which over time adds up to a greater Vf meaning a faster shot.
I'll try to show you the math later.
^Yeah, that was also just me being a jerk and knowing that it really doesn't make much of a humanly possible difference.
I'll try to show you the math later.
^Yeah, that was also just me being a jerk and knowing that it really doesn't make much of a humanly possible difference.
Yeah I do physics, but also you're forgetting that it will take slightly more effort to pull your foot back aswell and slightly more efort to follow through the shot aswell, so taking that into account, the shot may be marginally (sp?) harder.
Yes, I also do that Physics but believe me on this, the chemistry in your brain controlling your technique is soooooooooooooooo much more imprtant in comparison it is rediculous... 
Is it a 20 gram difference? Anyway 60 grams isn't going to do much, but the idea behind it is true.
i believe it makes a difference.
me 2 not that bigg of a difference but a slight one
just to let you guys no a gram is about the same weight of a paper clip
60 grams is nutin... weighs the same as the mud stuck betwwen yor studs
60 grams is nutin... weighs the same as the mud stuck betwwen yor studs
Who knows when the Black/White (not beckham's) Pred's are coming out and anyone know what they look like?
Actually the extra 60 grams is quite significant considering that the Absolutes weight ~ 300g so it's 20% more weight than the originals
At the same time, the inertia of the swinging foot will be greater with this weight thus creating a greater impact which is were the more power comes from.
Saw the new +F50.7 tunit and new preds (powerpulse) in my local sports shop yesterday. Was suprised to see them in the shop 4 days early.
The new powerpulse abs do seem quite a bit heavier! No odd shaped toe box on the new tunits.
Take a look at my pics:-
http://www.soccerpulse.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=111581
The new powerpulse abs do seem quite a bit heavier! No odd shaped toe box on the new tunits.
Take a look at my pics:-
http://www.soccerpulse.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=111581
Dont forget the friction of the ball on the grass.
Lets see, this is probably incorrect but
P=mv, therefore the P1 of the ball (momentum) and the P2 of the foot must be equal to each other.
Therefore P1=P2=m1v1=m2v2.
Im not sure of the weight of stuff but ill try and guesstimate.
First the momentum of a normal predator
P2=m1 x v1
= (0.300+15 (weight of foot)) x ( 70ms-1 (speed of foot))
= (15.3)(70))
= 1071
so the momentum of the normal predator is 1071kgms-1
Now the 'Stonger' predator.
P1=m2 x v1
= (0.360+15) x (70ms-1)
= 1075.2
So lets conclude this
OMG I CAN GET 4.2kgms-1 MORE POWER WITH THIS NEW STUFF.
But remeber, the movement and weight of the ball also comes into factor. But if the ball has a constant mass and velocity for both of these tests, the velocity will still be different. The above example is if you kick a solid brick wall.
Remember, this is just an estimate, I could be completely wrong. 60grams, or 0.06 of a kg isnt going to help you, much. Better whip in your leg faster to get more power.
I stress the above values are estimates, if anyone wants to weigh their leg, their leg velocity, the weight of ball, speed of ball etc, feel free, and ill find out for you.
Ken
Lets see, this is probably incorrect but
P=mv, therefore the P1 of the ball (momentum) and the P2 of the foot must be equal to each other.
Therefore P1=P2=m1v1=m2v2.
Im not sure of the weight of stuff but ill try and guesstimate.
First the momentum of a normal predator
P2=m1 x v1
= (0.300+15 (weight of foot)) x ( 70ms-1 (speed of foot))
= (15.3)(70))
= 1071
so the momentum of the normal predator is 1071kgms-1
Now the 'Stonger' predator.
P1=m2 x v1
= (0.360+15) x (70ms-1)
= 1075.2
So lets conclude this
OMG I CAN GET 4.2kgms-1 MORE POWER WITH THIS NEW STUFF.
But remeber, the movement and weight of the ball also comes into factor. But if the ball has a constant mass and velocity for both of these tests, the velocity will still be different. The above example is if you kick a solid brick wall.
Remember, this is just an estimate, I could be completely wrong. 60grams, or 0.06 of a kg isnt going to help you, much. Better whip in your leg faster to get more power.
I stress the above values are estimates, if anyone wants to weigh their leg, their leg velocity, the weight of ball, speed of ball etc, feel free, and ill find out for you.
Ken
i just go by the nike test that over a half field the person wearing vapors is a yard in front of the other guy.
QUOTE(b3ans @ Nov 29 2006, 01:10 AM) 
Dont forget the friction of the ball on the grass.
Lets see, this is probably incorrect but
P=mv, therefore the P1 of the ball (momentum) and the P2 of the foot must be equal to each other.
Therefore P1=P2=m1v1=m2v2.
Im not sure of the weight of stuff but ill try and guesstimate.
First the momentum of a normal predator
P2=m1 x v1
= (0.300+15 (weight of foot)) x ( 70ms-1 (speed of foot))
= (15.3)(70))
= 1071
so the momentum of the normal predator is 1071kgms-1
Now the 'Stonger' predator.
P1=m2 x v1
= (0.360+15) x (70ms-1)
= 1075.2
So lets conclude this
OMG I CAN GET 4.2kgms-1 MORE POWER WITH THIS NEW STUFF.
But remeber, the movement and weight of the ball also comes into factor. But if the ball has a constant mass and velocity for both of these tests, the velocity will still be different. The above example is if you kick a solid brick wall.
Remember, this is just an estimate, I could be completely wrong. 60grams, or 0.06 of a kg isnt going to help you, much. Better whip in your leg faster to get more power.
I stress the above values are estimates, if anyone wants to weigh their leg, their leg velocity, the weight of ball, speed of ball etc, feel free, and ill find out for you.
Ken
Exactly what I was trying to say.
QUOTE(smithxi @ Nov 29 2006, 05:26 PM)
i just go by the nike test that over a half field the person wearing vapors is a yard in front of the other guy.
mmm i know , and the other person was my nonna, she had Tunit 2's on, in blue!
QUOTE(Nanny @ Nov 29 2006, 03:37 AM)
mmm i know , and the other person was my nonna, she had Tunit 2's on, in blue!
the same person tested them. anywho i usually play in aveiros
oh, i forgot. The torque of your knee to your foot, and hip to knee also comes into play.
Ken
Ken
what about air resistance?
kk this is getting way too off topic!
SO when are the white/black f50.7's are coming out again? hopefully before april >_<
kk this is getting way too off topic!
SO when are the white/black f50.7's are coming out again? hopefully before april >_<
No offence but you guys seem to think you are being clever by doing little science equations, while infact you are showing to the contrary by actually doing them in the first place....but I'm sure you mguys must be joking right? 
They are boots. Get over it. You will buy them coz they look nice not because of the "Mystical power sole" 
EDIT: Question: Do the new preds come with the regular powerpulse and the regular black soles as well as the "power" insole ?
EDIT: Question: Do the new preds come with the regular powerpulse and the regular black soles as well as the "power" insole ?
I have abs and I prefer light weight over powerpulse.
QUOTE(M.C.F.C Paddy @ Nov 30 2006, 04:29 AM)
They are boots. Get over it. You will buy them coz they look nice not because of the "Mystical power sole"
EDIT: Question: Do the new preds come with the regular powerpulse and the regular black soles as well as the "power" insole ?
I think they would just come with a "power" powerpulse sole and a lightweight one. Coz they would have a lightweight one for sure and I don't think they'll give you 3 sets of soles.
QUOTE(arsenax @ Nov 30 2006, 02:09 AM)
No offence but you guys seem to think you are being clever by doing little science equations, while infact you are showing to the contrary by actually doing them in the first place....but I'm sure you mguys must be joking right?
Um what? This is basic physics mate. The forumulas are quite general. I belive most of us just wanted to prove a point that the extra weight wont make much of a difference.
Theres quite a difference to...
"It wont make much of a difference"
and
"It wont make much of a difference because........therefore.....see."
It may be the lawyer in me, but you cant say something unless you have a legitimate point to back it up.
Ken
b3ans, I'm guessing your original post with all the little equations was sarcastic then. Actually, if you read through it when you don't know there is supposed to be sarcasm, it doesn't ever show that you think that boots make very little differance. Sarcasm goes unnoticed over the internet - its quite common. 
wheres the guy who said hed post pics from his mobile of new march 2007 to be released colours ???
QUOTE(gringoballer13 @ Nov 26 2006, 05:04 AM)
ok, so i went to my local store today and the owner let me see the latest adidas catalog
i thought it would just have the stuff i already knew about but it blew me away
this is what i saw
the beckham predators that we saw a little while ago: the silver and red ones on ebay are coming out with a whole apparel line to go with it and have red studs in the back and silver in the front
the new adidas mexico jersey which looked awesome; so awesome that im an american fan and i might buy it
i saw new absolutes in white/ royal and they were k leather but had the design of the beckhams the silver/red kind of like absolute 2's and they also had all royal blue studs
then i saw new adillete sandals but was amazed to see the a3 technology all along the bottom of the sandal kind of like a running sandal
then i saw the new womens absolutes for the 2007 world cup they are all white with red stripes and a blue adidas sign on the tongue
then i saw new samba millenium colors: they had an italian version that was royal blue with one green stripe, one red stripe and one white stripe
there was also a white one with green stripes and a red heel
there was also womens 7406's which were light blue with navy blue stripes and navy blue studs
amazingly there was also a 25th anniversery copa indoor but didnt have the box, book or cleaning materials
i also got to see all the new tunit uppers which included
a silver upper with a blue flap
a black/white leather upper
a normal black/white synthetic upper
a silver/black upper
a red/white upper
a yellow upper with a black flap
and a yellow and black upper
both similiar colors to the v106 trainer
a royal blue/white upper
the blackout absolute with a red tongue which unlike the pulse version also had all black studs
then i saw the wierdest color absolutes i have ever seen it was black k leather in the front with silver stripes and the plastic parts and tongue were all bright orange with white studs in the back and black studs in the front
also the owner said these were all to come out late may/early june
QUOTE(gringoballer13 @ Nov 27 2006, 12:42 AM)
alright i will try to upload the pics tom. because i have to find my usb port and have homework
yeah, it was gringoballer13 with all the info, I can't wait to see the pictures, some of those boots sound
I found these 2 pics on eBay:
Hmm 2nd pair look fake, 1st pair may be hg f30s put the studs should be clear and it should say +f30 on the bottom. fake i'd say
the second pair is 100% fake, look at the +f30 on the sole!
how about some links thatd be good
The first pair could be an f30 Junior version, as that would explain the sole plate I believe. The F30 on the sole is much smaller than the F50 on the Tunits, so the 2nd one could also be real.
1st pair: I see nothing wrong, they could be HG, hence the sole plate.
2nd pair: Whats wrong with the +F30?
2nd pair: Whats wrong with the +F30?
yea I think there both real although I don't like the colour on the second.
QUOTE(NDG8 @ Nov 30 2006, 12:31 PM)
yeah, it was gringoballer13 with all the info, I can't wait to see the pictures, some of those boots sound
i was going to post pics but my phone isn't working so as soon as i get it fixed i will post pics
QUOTE(nunataker @ Dec 1 2006, 06:42 AM)
how about some links thatd be good
Black/White F30.7 HG
Grey/Navy F30.7 FG
both fakes
Uh oh...
From the same ebay seller. Looks like the Absolado version of the Beckham boots that are coming out maybe.
From the same ebay seller. Looks like the Absolado version of the Beckham boots that are coming out maybe.
QUOTE(Ronaldo R9 @ Dec 1 2006, 12:35 PM)
both fakes
I agree the grey/navy pair look dodgy, but there's no reason to suspect the black/white pair.
nice find kac, but they dont look so good like the first ones!
the tunits are both fake according to the price ... the grey blue one is 50 € and the other one 40 € ... you wouldnt sell f30 that arent even out for so less money
QUOTE(kac1991 @ Nov 30 2006, 09:37 PM)
Uh oh...
From the same ebay seller. Looks like the Absolado version of the Beckham boots that are coming out maybe.
LMAO! The dude that bought the ABS for like 3,000 must be kicking himself if these are real absolados.
does anyone have seen these shoes?
they're coming out next march.
they're coming out next march.
I think they are deep space silver !
Great find !!
Great find !!
yup great find ... i love how all the new colours do look so different in details from the other ones ... nice job adidas
QUOTE(kac1991 @ Dec 1 2006, 04:37 AM)
Uh oh...
From the same ebay seller. Looks like the Absolado version of the Beckham boots that are coming out maybe.
Since when did the Absolado have a split outsole though?
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