i mean, look at Barca, they are dominating Chelsea at home, mostly time

the last year too, they also dominated milan last year, and at home they are really unbeatable


i really think barca is untackable

i am talking this as Bayern Munich supporter

No no no.

We're good, extremely, extremely good. But the team needs a bit more tweaking to be truly perfect.
As of right now, we're right up among the top three clubs in the world, in whatever order it doesn't really matter as I feel the top three clubs in the world are;

Barcelona, Chelsea, Juventus.

No particular order as either one can beat the other on any given day, as can any other team for that matter, but in terms of consistency they're the top three. Bayern would go up there too, but, I just don't see them as a superpower in world football. No offense to the fans, just my opinion.

Barça still needs to sort out a few issues within the squad regarding certain individuals and their suitability for the team. We had one important win, against ten men, both conceeding and scoring an own goal, so let's not get carried away in euphoria and finish the job at the Nou Camp in two weeks time.

Barça is my team, that much is true, but there's a degree of reality needed when assessing your club.

The best team of all time? Let's not get carried away.

In terms of spectacle, when you look at our play you can say that this Barça is one of the best Barcelona sides ever, that much is true. But in terms of achievements and trophies, we've got some way to go. The original 'Dream Team' won 4 Ligas and a CL title and it's considered by many to be the best Barça side to grace the pitch. I'd say we need to wait a few more years until we can start comparing the two. One thing is for sure though, this Barça is just getting started. Our core group of players is young and hungry for success.

Well put in both of the above replies. I am a HUGe barcelona supporter, but you have got to be realistic when looking at your team and making predictions. There are quite a few things Barcelona need to fix up before they are able to play any team and i will not be biting my nails worried of an upset defeat.
I also wish they would stop selling their prospects, players like fabregas should never have gone. If victor valdes fulfills the promise he is showing then we can be even stronger at the back, which in my opinion is barcelona's weakness.
i hope they keep their feet on the gorund and continue wit this hard working atitude under Frank Rijkaards helm.

Best team in the past couple of years? maybe. Best team of all time? NO.

Not even in the last couple of years ;-/.

To be honest imo this year's Juve is stronger than Barca, and so is last year's Milan...

The current Barca's team is good though yeah...

I think Chelsea is still a strong contingent though I hate to say that.

Dont make me laugh.

Barca have an all-star attack, but at the back there are many teams stronger, so they are quite a way from being the best team of all time.

What, a 2-1 win against a side that played most the game with 10 men, makes them the best team of all time ?

Never, this Barca side is good, but there are many club sides that have been better than them. The Barca dream team of the 90's were better, as were the 'Ferrari boys' and 'La Quinta' of Madrid. The great Milan side of the late 80's', early 90's was better as well imo. Plus there are the South Aerican teams, River Plate of the 50's, Pele's Santos and Didi's Botafogo, as well as the Hungarian giants Honved which were all superior teams imo.

I agree.

Took the words right out of my mouth there. Kudos.

Don't forget the '95 Ajax side that didn't lose a single game in the CL or in the national competition.

True the Ajax team was awesome, but they didn't play total football. You can look at all the teams, but when you have a team that plays a system where any player can be in any position on the pitch and they actually win with it. Then Johan's Cruyff's Barca dream team have to be up there as the best. Don't forget about the 1970 Ajax 3 European cups in a row, total football and who else but Cruyff in the team.

I think Barca of the moment are the MOST ENTERTAINING team in the world. Their style of football is pure class and they raise the bar for the way the game is played. But they are not the best, because of their lack of complete well-roundedness. I personally don't even think they compare with the Real Madrid of Raul-Zidane-Figo-Hierro that won the CL against Bayer Leverkeusen. At the time I thought that team was simply invincible (not that they were the best team of all time either). Now there is a much closer comparison between Barca, Juve, and maybe Chelsea.

the comparison with older teams doesnt always make sense, we know the quality of football has gone up a lot with time, so this barca team could well be one of the best of all time, also remember the unbeaten arsenal of 2003-04

But Arsenal wasn't succesfull internationally. And lets just say that the level (let's not use the word quality) of football is open to debate.

sort out your defence, sort out your keeper, then your sorted.

actually your defence is sound, except get a world class center back, and get a world class keeper, then your team will be among the best in the world, ever.

How can u say that juve is stronger then barca, thats just crazy talk. All juve have is luck, they dont even play well and they are most certainly not in the top 3 clubs in the world, i would even rate Lyon more highly then juve at this stage. Just because juve are on the top of serie A doesnt mean they are the best, a lot of luck contributes to a lot of there wins.

Our defence? People have to understand we are not just about attack. We also have the best defence in La Liga. And Chelsea, one of the top 3 clubs in the world could only score on us through an unlucky own goal and a non existant penalty.

We all ready have two world class center backs. Marquez and Puyol. All we need is a new LB or RB. Valdez is a world class keeper that is just prone to mistakes. But when he has his head in the game he is one of the best.

Just a technicality Carles, we have the 2nd best defence in La Liga as of the latest round. Valencia 21 goals conceded, Barça 23 goals conceded from that cracker of a game against Deportivo.

Early to mid-90s Arrigo Sacchi's Milan

-----Van Basten----D.Massaro------
------------------Gullit----------------
---------Donadoni-----Albertini--------
-----------------Rijkaard----------------
Maldini---Beresi----Costacurta---Tassoti
------------------Rossi--------------------

Also: This era also saw names like Boban, Desailly, J.P.Papin, Marco Simone, Panucci, Dejan Savićević to name a few... also where Fabio Capello made a name for himself...

Scudetto
1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96

European Cup
1988-89, 1989-90, 1993-94 (finalist: 1992/93, 1994/95)

European Super Cup
1989, 1990, 1995 (finalist 1994)

Intercontinental Cup
1989, 1990 (finalist 1993)

Italian Super Cup
1992, 1993 1989/90

Italian cup
Finalist 1989/90

(from wikipedia.com)
In 1988/1989, AC Milan won its fourth Champions League, defeating Steaua Bucuresti in the final match. The team repeated that triumph the following season, against Benfica, and conquered its second Intercontinental Cup. The second Intercontinental Cup in a row, won against Olimpia Asuncion, is the main triumph of 1991.

The triumphs of Sacchi are carried on by Fabio Capello, who led the team to in a season without a single defeat. In addition to three consecutive scudetti (from 1992 to 1994), AC Milan reached the Champions League final for three consecutive years: in 1993 it is defeated by Olympique de Marseille; in 1994 it was FC Barcelona to experience the taste of the defeat, after a 4-0 triumph of the rossoneri; and in 1995, Milan is defeated again by Ajax Amsterdam.

During this time, the Rossoneri came to be known as Gli Invicibili, The Invincibles, with an unprecedented 58-match run with no defeats. The Invincibili team had the likes of Franco Baresi and Paolo Maldini commanding possibly one of the best defences in history, alongside the Dutch trio of Ruud Gullit, Frank Rijkaard and Marco van Basten rounding out the attack.

No, there is about 3 players in the current squad that you would put into there "dream team" which won them there only european cup

The champs league has 2 be won at least twice to acheive that honour.Imo if we win the champs league this season,this team would surpass the dream team of 1992.Right now best team ever?no, but they could be the most entertaining team ever.

Quoted in agreement

Barca has a great defense and Valdez is easily in the top 5 keepers in the world. There is a reason they have conceded so few goals in all competitions and its not luck.

Ladies Ladies Ladies, don't forget Man U team of 98/99 Season.

The treble winning team, whom faced Bayern, Barca, Inter and Juve all in one campaign. The semi-final win over Arsenal with Schmeichel's late late penalty save and the giggsy wonder goal. The cole/yorke combo...etc.

dear god no. players like Oleguer and Iniesta are good players, dont get me wrong but they arent even internationals. Take Ronaldinho out of the team and Barca would be half the team they are. IMO I can see the current Arsenal team being the best team around in 2 or 3 years time rather than Barca but to be honest I dont think there are any teams that can match the legendary teams of years gone by

Fair point to you mate, but really would we be "half" the team we're supposed to be without Ronaldinho?

-------------------Eto'o------------------
----------Messi---------Giuly------------
--------Deco-------------Xavi-----------
----------------Edmilson-----------------
-Sylvinho----------------------Oleguer-
------------Puyol-----Marquez----------
-----------------Valdez------------------

I still think that's a very good team despite the loss of the WPOTY, which any team would feel. The Arsenal team does have massive potential though, that Eboue fellow is a class fullback. Completely shut down Robinho and Nedved.

One of the best in the world? Yes
Best of all time? You're kidding me right?

You're forgetting the Milan side from the early 90's and late 80's. You're forgetting the Liverpool from the late 70's to early 80's which won 4 European Cups in 7 years.

ANd all of you are forgetting the real madrid side from 56-60 that won five european cups in a row. Destefano and puskas in one team... that was the best team ever maybe comparable with brazil 70

are we talking about european matches or european and domestic results? i honestly dont think this barca side is better than chelsea but dont get me wrong they are awesome. if chelsea had and explosive striker like.......henry they would surely win the cl.

Barca is a great team, and they showed it with their win. It is a little early to talk about them being the best of all time. They didn't dominate Milan, as Milan created quite a few chances of their own but lacked a critical finish.

The united team of 98/99 had one of the greatest midefeilds ever assembled Keane Becks Scholes and Giggs could take any midfeild today. Inlcuding Barcas.

Iniesta is better than the whole Celtic+Scotland team put together, and just so you know, he's a strong candidate for Aragones to take to Germany

Why do you have to get personal with your answer, badmouthing Celtic ??

PS We'll see how Nakamura does at the World Cup

awesome midfield. perfectly balanced between attack and defence, pace and technique, short passing and creativity.

every player had a claim to be the best in his position at the time. i would pick the 99 man utd midfield ahead of this barca midfield.

barca r sikkk

Why's that mate?

Because you've obviously never seen Iniesta before. His excrement has more talent than Nakamura

Relax there, he's an excellent talent, Iniesta, but i'm pretty sure his 'excrement' can't kick a football.

Of course I've watched him, my point is that he wont be in Spain's starting 11 at the World Cup this year, neither will Oleguer. As for your 'excrement' comment, what age are you

This years Barcelona side is exceptional however there has been far better teams. If you look at the Real Madrid side that graced Europe between 1960 and 1966 you will see the gulf in quality between the sets of players.

Eto'o and Ronaldinho are 2 great players and they've been very effective for Barca ove the past few seasons but at this moment in time Di Stefano and Puskas overshadow them immensely. Puskas alone hit 7 goals (I think) in 3 three Champions Cup finals 30 odd goals in 40 games and Di Stefano 50 goals in 60 games. Eto'o may break their records he's only 25 but thus far there has been no more successful partnership than Puskas and Di Stefano.

Even past Barcelona teams have been better in my opinion the 1994 team is arguably the best Barca team ever despite a thrashing in the final they had as a collective group the best forward line in the world at that time, some could argue it was Ajax or Milan though.

The one thing I think that has stopped Barca being more successful in European competition is the ban on imports in the 60's, at that time there was a wealth of talent Barca could've attracted to the club.

This season's side is not the best though.

No, I don't think so. They have been the best team last season, that looks quite unquestionable, but to be the best team of all time, I'm pretty sure not. Just look at the Real Madrid team of the 50's...they won 5 European Cups, the Ajax team of the early 70's that won it 3 times, so did Bayern Munich's team in the 70's that won it 3 times, the Liverpool team of the late 70's to mid 80's..they won 4 European Cups, the Milan team of the late 80's won it 2 times as well...and each of this teams had a great bunch of talent and stars to win that much success. I don't think the Barcelona's current team are in the same league as the mentioned teams..maybe after a few more successes, then MAYBE you could consider them to be the best.

have you seen all those classic teams that people quote without hesitating, the real madrid team of the 50s, who in SP watched them play?
and in those times, tv coverage was probably lot less, so a fan wouldnt be able to follow that many teams

im guessing because of natural progession like in any sport, the standard of football has improved all the time, maybe not as much over the last decade

it is quite possible that the barca team were greatest team of all time, but im not saying they are

After we win the Champions League 3 more times in the next 5 years then this will be close to true.

But not yet.

They are not the best, they are not the best in Spain

Supports: Real Madrid

That says it all ... How are they not the best in Spain when they have stormed the league the last 2 years???

Regarding the best team ever, it is way too early to say this at this point. Let's see what they win in the next couple of years - a couple more CL and La Ligas and they will have their name written down in history.

I think he meant they are not the best of all time in spain.

btw this Barca team being considered or even thought of being the best of all time is a bit ridiculous. Is it because they won 2 ligas in a row? real won 5. Or is it because they won the CL and la liga in the same season? we did that too, two times in a row. This barca team is comparable to the Real Madrid squad of 01/02. No one considers them the best.

trophies do not measure how good a team are, it only measures how dominant a team are