Who do u think is a better player out of the roma star De Rossi and the hot prospect of Arsenal Fabregas who would u buy if u had the chance and who would love to be in your team?

for me its fabregas

De Rossi because he can play and his ability to perform is not dependent on the presence of another player to win most of the physical battles like Fabregas.

Fabregas.

Call me biased but i have to go with Fabregas

Real Bestia @ your sig

Im not so sure, i heard alot good thing about de rossi, but i havent seen so much from him myself, only some clips.

So, my vote will go to Fabregas right now

Fabregas by luck over De Rossi.

De Rossi was a real hero yesterday in the roma-messina match, he scored with he's hand and told to the referee that it was not a goal, still the ref had said it was a goal.

That gives respect.

Never seen De rossi play so I will vote Fabregas.

De Rossi, better shot, solid technique, stronger, good in attack, awesome in defending game.

this doesn't mean I wouldn't like Cesc, I do, a lot really, but only thing I can think he's better in than De Rossi is ball control, and maybe offencing passing play.

De Rossi by far.

fabregas over any italian ?!

EPL Rules!!

FABREGAS 100%.....how old is DE ROSSI anyways....cesc has been playin the best since he was 17!

and in a struggling team!

By far De Rossi, he's closer to Gerrard than Fabregas in quality.
But Fabregas of course has five years or so to catch up.

this pool will get votes for fabregas for simple reason, not many watch serie A...if they would de rossi would win it by a land slide....I am not being biased but like any other player in EPL, fabregas is a bit overhyped....he is talented no doubt, the second best 18 year old in buisness behind messi but thats all he is, just among 18 year olds where as de rossi is one of the top 5 midfielders in europe....if you through fabregas and de rossi in a bolton match, de rossi will easily out shine fabregas where as if you throw them in against madrid or juventus where they have time and space, they will be equal....there is dependancy on oppsotion for fabregas being effective where as with de rossi it is his own quality and nothing else matters.

Another poll where an EPL based player will win simply because many watch the league

Truth be told, De Rossi is a much better player for both club and country
De Rossi is a classic example of complete central midfielder

The nice thing aout this thread is that there will be few arguments since those who say Fabregas will not have seen De Rossi so arguments will just be shut by the classic line
"Watch more football"

Yes it is true, a lot of people here are fans of the EPL and may not see Serie A that often, that is why Fabregas is getting most of the votes. Fabregas is a excellent young player, no doubt, and fully deserves all the credit he is getting, especially considering his tender age, but in terms of who is better, it is certainly De Rossi.

I cannot begin to explain how much of a quality player Daniele De Rossi is, and how much potential he has to be one of the best players in the world. Of course, I am a Roma fan and so would praise him a lot, but all that aside, I do watch a lot of football and see a lot of players, but I have to say De Rossi is pure quality. For me, he is already one of the best midfielders in Europe. His performances this season underline that. There hasn't been an Italian midfielder like him for some time. Defensively is where he shines the most, but he has all the ability to show that he is a complete midfielder. He is an exceptional reader of the game, and always seems to be in the right place to make a tackle or a clearance. He is brilliant in the air, and will win a lot of aerial battles for you. He likes to sit in front of the back four and show himself for a pass when the defenders have the ball, and will dictate the tempo from deep and find a teamate with a good pass. He is also very good as running into the box at just the right time, much like many people here would know Steven Gerrard to do so (even if I want to limit the comparison between the two).

Please don't just take this post as me being bias toward him as I am a Roma supporter. This kid will be the very best one day, no doubt. This forthcoming World Cup will really push him into the limelight and show everyone who may not seen him play too often what a complete midfielder he is.

fabregas is a better than de rossi..he is proving himself in the CL every match whereas de rossi isnt even playing in europe.

also sergio how can u say de rossi is better for his country than fabregas wen fabregas has only played 1 game for spain( in which he set up a goal)?? unless ur talking about U21??

Oh my God what is that????! I knew someone would post such a ridiculous statement as that. Seriously, what the hell are you talking about, Theirry187? That just because a player who plays in the CL, that means he is automatically better than one who doesn't? By that logic Boško Balaban of Brugge is a better player than Francesco Totti or Pablo Aimar or Michael Owen. Seriously, what a stupid statement. You should think before you type.

sorry about digging up this topic. but some of the arguments are lame. Have watched a lot of de rossi and fabregas. And no doubt fabregas is a very good passer of the ball, has good close control, but if you ask the question who is a better footballer it would have to be de rossi.

Is an excellent box to box midfielder, and like fabregas he too will get better. Is strong, good in the tackle, has a tremendous work rate too. Can get forward also. At this point of time, he's better than fabregas.

And just because a player doesnt play in the CL doesnt mean he is worse than someone else... djimi traore anyone!!

thierry187, you say no one should talk about fabregas' internationals coz he hasnt played, and you say de rossi is worse coz he hasnt played in the CL... fabregas wasnt picked, de rossi's team wasnt in the CL. its just not a valid argument.

Hope de rossi can do the business during the world cup, had a quiet game vs ghana, but got his job done.

De Rossi all day he has everything doesnt stop workin throughout the game, great shot, good passing range, good tackler, he reminds me off Gerrard when he was that age.

De Rossi all day everyday, I appreciate Cesc's passing ability and Stamina but de Rossi is more intelligent than he is.

Henry has employed Cesc to become more influential like Gerrard a Cesc has the tendancy to be one of those Left to Right central midfielders, rather than those up and down CM's.

The up and down CM's do so much more, and this here is what the accomplished De Rossi is very good at, technically sound, hardly loses the ball and makes ALL the right decisions.

He might aswell be 28, the way he plays.

Legs Up and Hands Down, without a shadow of a doubt..........

DE ROSSI

De Rossi for me. he is complete midfielder. he has everything to be one of the best.

fabregas= 19 ages
de rossi= 23 ages

Where was De Rossi at 19 years of age? no no where was he at 17 years of age? De Rossi is better i admit but we will see when Fabregas reaches his age. I know myself that Cesc has more potential.

Sergio mate you make me laugh bro.

Every topic is anti English this anti English that. Keep it up, it is class.

Ohh man, how old are you?? 85? Where were you from 1938 to 1945 huh?

I hear Mel Gibson is doing a new film, after Braveheart and the Patriot.....You'd be great for the role.

don't believe italian hype, it's usually all crap.

The Italians always overrate their players like Toni, Totti and De Rossi.

Fabregas is younger, better and with more potential.

this means that he'll always be better than rossi.

anyone who says otherwise needs to 'watch more football'



italy are going nowhere this world cup because their players are over-hyped and over-crap.

And you really think France will go somewhere after playing Maybe the most Boringest Match in the Tournament so far?

They are both good players but to say De Rossi is crap or that Italians are overated is ridiculous.

anyone notice all the English fans keep posting such ridiculous posts because they know nothing outside of Egnland?

You chat shit Totti is not overrated at all neither is Toni and De Rossi if anything is underrated Fabregas is overrated were was he in the first half of the season ? Hes made a few good passes and now hes the worlds greatest


Its the Arsenal fans not all England fans.

I'm not a France fan, but according to my calculations, they will go much further than Italy.

Unlike many who say things for the hell of it, I found Italy pretty poor. If Ghana (who are far worse than switzerland) had any form of final pass, Italy would've been beaten.


I am not an English fan either, but am a fan of an English club


as for the other guy


anyone notice all the English Italian fans keep posting such ridiculous posts because they know nothing outside of Egnland? Italy

Exactly WorldGame, the ignorance of some users on this board never fails to amaze.



MrAsenal, may I politely ask you go do us all a favour and keep your absolutely pathetic and idiotic opinions to yourself, and save us all the trouble of having to read them. The pure bias you show time and time again is ridiculous. And perhaps you should actually 'watch more football', as I wonder how many times you have actually seen Daniele De Rossi play. No doubt Fabregas is an extremely talented youngster and one day may become a great midfielder, but to say he is better than De Rossi is a joke. Anyone with a pure knowledge of the game, regardless of where the team or league alligences may lie, would acknowledge that De Rossi is a better player. And how may I ask are Totti or Toni overated by the Italians? Would it be because Totti has been one of the best players, if not the best, in Serie A over the last few seasons, or would it be that Luca Toni has scored over 80 goals in the last 3 seasons alone? Please, enlighten us.

Time and time again, your posts best highlight the ignorance and bias that is held by a lot of users on these boards.

Great post

I really don't have any impression of De Rossi. He played well against Ghana, but that's all I've seen from him.
I will be really happy if we really stick to PL. It's all I want to see from that sport. Not gambling old thieves and boring games.

'pathetic' and 'idiotic' are 2 words that show disrespect.


then again, anyone who thinks Italian football is any good, will be bitter against the world and show that they have no substance to their argument.

Toni is a nobody and would not survive in a big team

Totti is overrated as he is seen as some superhuman player, when in big tournaments he has done fuck all for italy, and has never gone to a big club to prove himself.

Big fish, small pond he will always be.

Players will only be classed as good nowadays if they leave Serie A. Now that Schevchenko has come, we'll see how he does in a proper league, unlike Mutu, Veron, Crespo who have all proven that Serie A is an inferior league when they came to the Premiership.

Hopefully moderators will warn you for calling my views 'pathetic and idiotic', and I also suggest you take a look in the mirror and realise that even though Italian football is in itself 'pathetic and idiotic', you do not go round insulting people due to your bitterness.

Mr Arsenal..


This is getting mighty tiring. supporter status does not mean moderator or that you have a say in rules and inforcing them. You will get the answers like the one above when you continuously instigate them. If i see another report like the one for this post, you will get a warning for abusing the report system.

Perhaps its time you stepped away from teh computer for a bit and gained some composure.

hmm, 'chat shit' is not very nice is it?? (again, where's the mods )

then again, if you are a representative of liverpool fans, and have had to watch your team bore the world to death then I can imagine you'd be rude and ignorant.

Fabregas has bossed the midfield in the Champions league in practically every game bar the final.

De Rossi has not reached such a standard, and as he improves, Fabregas will always improve more.

Fabregas is not the world greatest, but he is one of the most potential filled young players in the game.





so you condone someone using hte words 'pathetic and idiotic' because they are a biased Roma fan??

what happened to relying on the quality of your posts, rather than the insults.

it seems you are personally offended?

"the mods" are far more willing to help when the attitude isn't there. Drop teh cute stabs at them, and maybe they will help. just a thought though..

Yeah were that borin team who won the champoions league where as use failed

Toni won the Golden Boot this year, so how can you talk shit about him? You obviously know nothing, he also broke a 50 year old scoring record. Totti playing for a small club?? shows once again you know nothing, you are seriously embaressing yourself. When England win 3 world cups like Italy come talk to me.

back up there sonnybubbles.
Im no fan of any italian team for starts. And thats not even whats on trial here. What is, is teh fact that you see the need to cal out these people, all but making them say these things, then running to me like a schoolgirl.

If the moderating here is soooooo terrible. leave. No one has a gun to your head saying you have to stay.

Its getting rather annoying and frankly petty and childish to see you take shots at people then cry when they reply in a manor you dont like. if i were an italian person and you keep saying england Italy.. yeah, id call you a few names too. its uncalled for and its seen as instigating.

If you want moderators to help you, stop being an arsehole all teh time.

Come back to me when Arsenal win the European Cup at least once let alone five times. For all the ''fantastic football'' that Arsenal play, you won nothing. [Also had the easiest group in the tournament].

Btw, the world has witnessed the most entertaining Champions League final in history and that was involving Liverpool and AC Milan. Not Arsenal. I find it that in most cup finals that Liverpool take part in [UEFA Cup,Champions League,FA Cup,etc..] there's always a hell of a lot of drama and entertainment.

Now regarding De Rossi. I've seen him play once or twice so I can't chose between him and Fabregas. Wasn't all that impressed by him in Italy's recent game but I don't judge players based on one game. He is regarded as a huge talent at Roma and in Italy in general.

not that it matters, but the referee gave you that champions league with a phantom goal vs Chelsea, and lost us the Champions league with some shocking refereeing in the final.

You'll Never Sleep Alone with Liverpool.








as for TheWorldGame:

what have Englands World cups or Italy's got to do with anything.

were you alive when either of them won the world cup??

Either way, this has nothing to do with Fabregas or De Rossi,

De Rossi is overhyped and will never be as good as Fabregas who is already a European star. De Rossi isn't.

IF you actually bother to read, you'll see I didn't insult anyone personally, and the england Italy was a paraphrase of another member's post.

Either way, it is clear that you simply wish to target me since the Dunga thread (one of your favourite players).

your insults only indicate what type of person you are.

There is no need for me to respond to your pm as my post is clear. Read the posts and you'll see who is making the personal comments. If people are too immature to react to their team being insulted, this is not my problem. It does not make their personal insults 'legal' by your board's standards.

I cannot speak any plainer on this. It's not my job to correct you, and you are naturally exempt from warning.

MrArsenal makes a comment, some member starts making personal insults against board rules, MrArsenal reports the comment, Christoval jumps in attacking MrArsenal calling him an 'arsehole'

I'm not sure what your problem is, but clearly you have one.

I've been looking through a few threads recently, this one included and you know what I found? There is a huge 'battle' so to say between fans of the Premiership and fans of Serie A/La liga. Now I'm all for debating, as long as it is positive. Instigating and name calling gets you no where other than being warned/banned, so for that reason it is advisable that you do not to do it. Now there are some very good posts in this forum, however at times these are ruined by members coming in, insulting and instigating other members. Now this isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I'm asking everyone to atleast try to co exist.

Oh yea MrArsenal I'm sure Chris doesn't have a personal vendetta against you, especially because you insulted Dunga. And 'TheWordGame', don't call people arseholes.

okie dokie.. everyone in this thread that has conversed with mr arsenal today.. Please, just stop. Hes looking for another person to report, and i would suggest you just ignore him. in fact, you can set the board so that his posts (or any normal members) are automatically removed from your screen.

if you truly disagree with his statements, that may be the best way to go.
RomaSield27.. please do not call anyone opinions (regardless of how outlandish they may seem) pathetic.

If i see one more post of anyone at all's here that includs an attack on another member or group of people (that includes england italy) they will get a warn and a day or two to think about it.

first off do not have the cheek to call firoentina a small club, excluding their 3 years out of the top flight they are arguably bigger than arsenal for that matter, would like to have seen you create that argument in the 90's for the likes of batistuta was there who is at least twice the player henry is and was, lets be honest it's not the italian fans with lack of substance to their argument it's pathetic fans like yourself, with argument like:

'Toni is a nobody and would not survive in a big team' yeah good argument!

well one of the reasons for not doing anything for italy is the fact he only has roughly 20caps and never has played in a major tournament due to injury early in his career, if he wasn't injury prone earlier in his career surely he would have went on to become a top force in europe, he still has but longer than usual.

totti as superhuman? and henry isn't considered this at arsenal, totti has consistently performed for roma over the past 10 years or so, where as henry for example never stood a chance in serie A, and once again your foolishness is outstanding calling roma not a big club, so who do you consider big clubs? why should totti move on he's the captain and the talisman for roma as batistuta was for firoentina.

sheva in a proper league he's 4th top goal scorer in champions leage history yet he never played in a proper league, so what does this say for the rest of footballers across the globe? once again when henry was in a so called 'proper' league he didn't do so hot himself, playing 6 months before juve offloaded him to arsenal. anyway less of these child's games.

while cesc does have more potential as he is younger by 3 years doesn't mean anything martins in 3 years younger than adriano and doesn't have more potential than the king himself, so once again not a valid arguement there mate, turning that argument on it's head youth with experience is key de rossi has been playing first team football with roma for close to 3 years now, on that basis alone de rossi is better than cesc, in my personal opinion he has more talent than cesc, the only thing i can imagine cesc has over rossi is youth, and lets face it de rossi isn't exactly a granda now is he?

just to highlight what I'm dealing with.


note to self, avoid interacting with christoval as he'll just try some petty insults rather than read the posts.

some guy said 'English fans are biased about England' (the instigator)
I responded by crossing out the English, and putting Italy (highlighting the ignorance).

If you are unable to grasp this elementary concept, then perhaps you need to either re-read, or try to improve your English.

If you feel I have instigated anything, other than saying 'italian players are overhyped etc', then prove it, otherwise, don't use your personal vendetta against me to make a useless point

IT IS IN WRITING MY FRIEND, READ AND YOU WILL FIND THE ANSWERS.

this is all I have to say on the matter.

OK, anymore posts that insitgate, insult, include england italy or genearlly attack another member, or their opnion and i will close this thread.

De Rossi is better, he works harder and also defends better.

no no my friend you should read,
I said next one to go after someone in a post gets a suspension..

you are teh winner. and just since its caused shit for me over the last three days. I made it a 5 day one.

Im not your friend, and as i said in teh pm. im not for or against you being here. i dont really care, but when you start to make the quality of posts go down, you are taken off the pitch.