Its not the feeling from this year, but from some seasons. They always have a great team and great players. But somehow they look so disinterested in europe. I was astonished with them last season against liverpool at home. Liverpool were their for the taking but juventus didn't even try to go through. Its as if they were happy to get knocked out and concentrate on scudetto. I hate to see Juventus home matches, no crowd, no passion from players..even cappello looks like he wants to concentrate on serie A.

Do you guys get the same feeling?

I have decided i wont even bother supporting them in the CL anymore
Werder Bremen and Arsenal have half the strength of Juve and yet they can draw circles around them
Juve play with more passion against Livorno, Lecce, Treviso, Ascoli than they do in Europe
It's like they just dont care about the CL
I know they keep saying they want it, Cappello certainly wants it (only if he could play)

I like your "supports column". Juve only in serie A.

Problem is that they are all old and they've already won everything.

I think all Italian teams are boring, except maybe Milan. I always hope they are out ASAP. Their play is effective and everyone has their own taste but I just don't like defenseive football.
Difference in culture is too big, Dutch=attack, Italian=defense

Look arsenal on form are superior in pace, skill and stamina
they made look juve average because of that and no other reason, no matter how much passion juve had they would have lost yesterday

Doubt it. Juventus had the skill and experience but they didn't use it in the game for whatever reason. Vieira and Emerson in midfield certainly has more steel than Fabregas and Gilberto. Juventus have talented players in Ibrahimovic,Del Piero,Trezeguet,Nedved,Zambrotta,Vieira but they have been piss poor in Europe for some time now

yeah but if you were in the quarter finals of the champions league, surely you would want to go further and win the thing? juve didnt look threatening at all against arsenal..its like they didnt want to get a goal all game.

we'll see what happens with the 2nd leg, i think it will go into extra time and who knows what will happen from there

why cant you just admit that arsenal's superiority was clearly a factor, i dont think there were any teams apart from Barca who could have withstood that onslaught even on full form

^^Dude, give it a rest will you.

give what a rest?

am i banned from saying the truth now?

I dont think thats true at all. As far as i know Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Zlatan, Trezeguet, Buffon, Vieira, Emerson, Cannavaro, Zebina and Chiellini have no major European club trophies. Am i mistaken in this assumption?

But i do believe that they are far more deadly in the Serie A than the CL, much like Arsenal were over the last decade, not counting this year of course.



Man, Juventus are way better than what they played tuesday night. Now i have a soft spot for Arsenal due to their style and i hate Juventus due to my Milan supporting side, but Vieira and Emerson are easily good enough to take care of Cesc and Gilberto...well maybe not easily, but they should be able to subdue them, and Zlatan and Camoranesi are good enough to take on Senderos and Flamini. If those 4 players operated anywhere near their peak, we would have been looking at a totally different scoreline. Now, this is all what ifs and buts, but thats kinda the point of this topic. Juve just DONT play to what tehy are capable of in the CL, and IF they did, they would be a hell of alot better.

If anythin its arsenal who havent been playing to the top of their ability in the prem (not jus because juve playing crap in CL), you forget this is the team that went unnbeaten 49 games not so long ago
I still maintain Arsenal at their peak can beat anyone, do you think Juve could ever play at the pace that Arsenal do?

You have some very shallow points in your argument
Juve doesn't need Arsenal's pace to beat them..it is very narrow-minded to even bring up pace
Emerson and Vieira could control the pace of the game and Arsenal's pace wouldn't mattea
It happens a lot in Europe where the really pacy teams are made uncomfortable by the opponents slowing down the play..so pace is a really weak point...drop it

You are naive if yopu think that Arsenal can beat Juve when they're both on top form

if anything you are the naive one, you think Juve is superior to Arsenal full stop. however it is only this season that we've undergone a dip,
In truth at our peak not just are we a faster team we have more flair too than Juve

however some fans talk as if 90% of the time Jve will beat arsnl and it was only the 10% fluke that we beat you

woteva man, suit yourself
we all know the truth
Arsenal players celebrated in such a way that showed that they understand the result was a shock
a few fans like yourself would disagree..but you're entitled to ye own opinion

yep we dominated them for 90 minutes and then were amazed that it ended up 2-0
any way each to their own

At their peaks these teams are more than capable of beating Arsenal:

Barca, REAL MADRID, Juve, Milan, Chelsea, ManUtd, Liverpool, Bayern, and possibly Lyon.

lol bitterness, dream on mate!

Arsenal are so happy they have made a decent run in the CL beating Madrid and Juve. But you Arsenal fans are way too overcocky. I would love for Barcelona to play you in the final and give you an oldfashioned spanking to put you down to earth.

I can assure you we are not cocky, we have nothing to be cocky about.
Perhaps a few individuals are being so, but don't taint us all.

We are just enjoying our best ever run in the European Cup, we are enjoying these nights and taking them one at a time. Yes Juve are better this season, but we're now in to the knockoout stages where that doesn't matter. This tie isn't over by a long shot.

Anyway the last few seasons this Juve team have ran out of steam towards the end, i think it has to do with the ageing players they rely on in key areas. When legs are tired they have no adrenilen to feed off from their home support to carry them through in big games.

wasn't this suppouse to be a juve thread? =D

anyway i dun really enjoy ISA games much . too defensive i mean is there anthor league so defensive? =\ but the thing is i love to see italian players play but than again how many italian do we see not playing in ISA.

i wonder if i am making any sense right now =\

Yeah you went 49 games unbeaten with Vieira, Campbell[on form],Edu,etc.. not with Fabregas,Flamini,Ebou or whatever the hell his name is.

It's not the same team that won the league two y ears ago.

No you're not making any sense
Just like every one who doesn't wath Serie A
They look for reasons that dont exist
The goals scored in the Serie A are outrageous
Bonazoli, Totti, Fiore, Zlatan, Lucarelli, Caracciolo, Flacchi, Taddei, Sheva, etc
But people keep yapping about how defensive the league is
Just because the defences are so solid, doesn't mean the league is too defensive
You have to be very good to score lots in Serie A

Ibrahimovic has only scored 6 goals this season, hardly outrages. He scored 16 in 33 or so matches last season, once again hardly outrages.

Those are goals overall in all competitions.

Hernan Crespo scored 30 plus goals when he played in Italy, he hasn't done that in the Premiership.

its eboue, get ur fucking spelling right and show some respect to the player.

For once I agree with you.

Ibrahimovic hasn't scored nearly the same amount of goals as the rest listed in that post. In fact, he's miles behind them in terms of goals scored in Serie A.

Cmon guys ,, this isnt about the leagues nor the gunners,, its about JUVE and about their passion, which translates to success, in the CL,

I confess that watching them in the SerieA is different from watching them in the CL

They were my favourites for the CL at the start of the season ,,

But their performance in the CL has let their fans down.

If u guys make it to the final , u all will be facing Villareal , not Arsenal.

Anyway coming to Juventus , it is indeed true that the Juve team generally plays with less passion in the UCL .now the primary reason for that would be the low-amp support they generally get .Which is why in UCL , the home legs are soo important to win a match because of the crowd support .Classic example would be the Anfield faithful - Anfield is basically a fortress for visiting teams .

Juventus generally dont have such vocal support , so they basically dont tend to get huge victories at home .And at the same time , they will most likely screw up away from home (which is the case for most UCL sides as the away games are in most cases in different countries)

Now i am not saying that if the Juve crowd made as much noise as the Anfield faithful , the Juve team will play like they have just been injected steriods .No - but the team will be more inspired and more importantly ,the opposing team will be shaken by the atmosphere .There is no intimidation factor in going and playing against Juve .

If we compare the current Arsenal team and current Juve team , and if these two teams were made to play a match on a neutral arena with say no supporters , truth be told , Arsenal would be taught a lesson in football .But thats not how football works - in many cases , home support will play a major factor in determining the result of a match or even tournament .

Its no coincidence that no team with the exception of Brazil has ever won a world cup outside of its own continent .

im starting to think some people need to get over themselves....

the fact is that arsenal are in the final and other teams arent,

none of this 'on their day' bull**** not every team has their day every day, be greatful when you get your day because they dont come around always, as juventus are experiening it in the CL now.



oh and "The Real Deal" your sig is talking crap, Henry has a much better shot and is so much faster than ronnie.

plus it was a joke that henry didnt win fifa player of the year in 2004

yeah it really dosent make since considering Thierry Henry is the first player listed in his "favorite players" section...

And........is there a problem with that, he's in yours too

This thread has gotten pretty damn stupid. Close it Close it Close it.

Im sure there are plenty of Thierry Henry threads goin in the phenoms section.

yet another top class prediction brought to you courtesy of TRD

First of all, players can have hot and cold streaks, especially when in different leagues and with different team chemistry and style of play.




Get a life. You don't have to swear and talk down to someone to ask them to show some more respect.





The fact of the matter is that Juventus has played extremely poorly in Champions League over the past couple of years. And even if they are going to win the Scudetto this season, they have slipped from form very much so and are not playing consistant strong forceful football. Whether it be age or not, Juventus did it to themselves. I personally believe there needs to be some moving of bodies to and from the club. Hopefully some younger guys will be able to make their way in and change some of the faces while maintaining some form of chemistry. Progress is what we need.

In my eyes I see a bit of what was happening to the Italian National team as to what is happening to Juve.. allowing older players who aren't proving themselves on a consistant basis play and the 'score a goal and sit back at your defensive box' mentality. It's time to change. Hopefully we will see this with the National Team and Juve. I wish them both all the good fortune.

Yes, hindsight is a powerful thing noh?

It has been one of football's biggest conundrum these last few years, how can Juve be so much ahead in Serie A and so awful in CL? Now in the last few days the answer has been revealed: it has something to do with Moggi and the domestic referees *hint*hint*

Well it does amke sense doesn't it. Playing league games the players will have an aurora of invincibility since they know that they will win no matter what, not so much in Europe though.

Well it's only a theory...

I guess Moggi couldn't place an international call from his office.