QUOTE(Juve_Pale @ May 11 2006, 03:32 AM)

ok i never disputed the fact that he is not talented, he is a gun player and his potential seems unlimited. i only say that he has become lazy and cocky, the fans have had enough and so have many of the players (viera).
As for your comment abour Lagerbäck, i am sure he is an excellent coach, but to compare him to don cappello, who i am not a fan of by the way. is like comparing a datson to a ferrari
Concerning Zlatan:
Ok, we agree upon Zlatan being talented. Also upon him being cocky, but I guess you are aiming at being cocky in an immature/stupid manner, which I wouldn't say he is.
Zlatan's been accused of being lazy before, for instance by team-mates in Ajax and swedish football "experts".
I agree he's sometimes passive, but I've got a feeling it doesn't end there. It's not that simple.
Zlatan has a great understanding and vision of football. Few people can do what Zlatan Ibrahimovic did against NAC Breda or what Maradona did against much stronger teams. But just like Maradona didn't do this all of the time (then he'd would've scored 40 incredible goals a match or something), Zlatan is always looking for that golden opportunity. Like he's said about the NAC Breda goal; "It's takes planning to do something like that" (I wouldn't say
strategical planning like one day in advance but
tactical planning on the field).
The attack must be built up from the goalkeeper/defenders position, or you'll have to win the ball in the midfield. When this doesn't happen, what can a striker do? He can either stand and wait like Inzaghi and Zlatan often do
or go deep and take part in the midfield struggle. Zlatan can take part in the midfield and even defence, but's that would be a waste and he knows it.
Also, what are his orders? Capello might have told Zlatan to, primarily, wait for players like Nedved to build up the attack and then finish or pass to a finishing Del Piero/Trezeguet. In a situation like that, Zlatan will be praised if he scores or makes an assist for a goal
or be called lazy, selfish if no goal is created.
Zlatan hasn't been amazing lately, but neither have many other players in Juve.
Concerning Lagerbäck vs Capello:
Ok, I make it sound like Lagerbäck's a better coach than Capello, which of course is discussable.
On the other hand, I feel that Capello sometimes gets excessively carried away by the heat of the moment (not chiefly during the actual games though) and has too much of a fixed notion of what kind of player especially Zlatan ought to be. I sense Zlatan receives too little freedom.
But as neither you nor I know what's going on in Capello's head and what's being said in the locker room...
Lagerbäck seems to be more like Sven Goran Eriksson, solid, analytical, persistent - but without the desires for fancy women and a big net income.
Of course Sweden has better players today than in, say 1998, still, I don't think it's as simple as that. A good example of the understanding and good judgement of Lagerbäck is that instead of giving up the idea of Ljungberg in the NT (who was underachieving for a long time), he made the other players adopt to the unique runnings and shifting of positions that is typical for Ljungberg and after a long while that actually payed off (I'd say that Arsenal today has the same problem the NT of Sweden used to have in this area).
Is there a problem concerning Zlatan?
Yes there is.
But this problem is more of a combined Capello-Zlatan dilemma (and in the past perhaps a combined Moggi-Capello-Zlatan problem) than a pure Zlatan problem.
Again, why does Zlatan get along perfectly with the swedish coach and his swedish team-mates while this isn't the case in Italy?
It's not like we don't have other big stars (think of Larsson and Ljungberg) that compete with him for attention.
Maybe there's more of team spirit and - in some areas - more of competent managing in the NT of Sweden?