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Juve_Pale
he has become such a waste of time, he does nothing, a liability, one less player, in the arsenal game i rekon he ran 50 yards all up, and then he has the neve to crack it when he gets subbed. ZLATAN IS A PIG
Elastico Master
not really, you gotta understand players have bad times, it always happens, always, it even happens to me (lol)
Sky
Zlatan is not 19 anymore, if he can't control himself then he is a liability to the team.

And he is overrated.
Cipe
Look at adriano
-Alexi@-
totally agree with you!!
zlatan left juve, please!

delpiero-terzeguet are great player, zlatan is only a creep

LIME
Adriano is also going through some personal issues this season. His bad form can be "excused".

Zlatan is just having a bad season. He's done some really crappy matches and lost his confidence. He doesn't dribble as much as last season.
Cipe
Oh well
The Topic Title says it all
Speedy
Prima donna, plays like crap when he wants to, which is most of the time this season. He does have some great skill on the ball though, because he had a good season last year, he got it into his head that he is the best Serie A player and stopped trying for some reason.
EEE
QUOTE(Elastico Master @ Apr 6 2006, 09:39 PM) *

not really, you gotta understand players have bad times, it always happens, always, it even happens to me (lol)


this is the only post in here thats deservs a read .
Juve_Pale
everyone who disagrees has zlatan listed as a favorite player, i must say i agree players have off moments, ie alex after his knee operation, and adriano after the death of his father, but zlatans poor performance can be put donw to selfishness and ignorance, who has an off season anyway, hasbt played well for about a year now, he doesnt even look like he tries anymroe
ZLATAN IS A PIG
Best 7
If you dislike him so much why is he listed as one of your favourite players. blink.gif
Juve_Pale
because i cbf changing it
Best 7
QUOTE(Juve_Pale @ Apr 18 2006, 09:09 PM) *

because i cbf changing it


Lol fair enough.
punkd81
nar.. u just like pigs...!!

does beastality ring a bell?
Juve_Pale
No but B grade comedy does
Saloom™
if u hate him that much let him come madrid
gandi2
QUOTE(-Alexi@- @ Apr 11 2006, 07:11 AM) *


delpiero-terzeguet are great player, zlatan is only a creep


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civitas
OR perhaps reality looks like this; someone in Juve doesn't know how to use a player like Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

WHY is Zlatan good in the national team of Sweden and mediocre in Juventus?
bob dylan
Same reason Henry is awesome for Arsenal but mediocre for France. Clashing styles.
civitas
QUOTE(Mujeriego. @ May 7 2006, 12:42 AM) *

Same reason Henry is awesome for Arsenal but mediocre for France. Clashing styles.


Good point.

Zlatan is cocky, uncompromising and moody.

So was Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni.

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God creates Zlatan.

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Juve_Pale
QUOTE(civitas @ May 7 2006, 08:41 AM) *

OR perhaps reality looks like this; someone in Juve doesn't know how to use a player like Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

WHY is Zlatan good in the national team of Sweden and mediocre in Juventus?


ok, he clearly killed last season, this year the fame has gotten to his head and he has become stubborn and selfish, doesnt pass or run.

and wats with that haircut

he is a pig
46 Miles
Pig or not I'd have him at United, as a squad player of course..
civitas
QUOTE(Juve_Pale @ May 8 2006, 08:43 AM) *

ok, he clearly killed last season, this year the fame has gotten to his head and he has become stubborn and selfish, doesnt pass or run.

and wats with that haircut

he is a pig


You're apparently more interested in the hairstyles of players than their play.

Zlatan's been doing a great deal of assisting this season. He's been assisting both Del Piero and Trezeguet on numerous occasions and even though he's not been scoring a lot, he's valuable because he's tall, strong, exceptionally technically gifted and therefore, other teams fear him. Everyone knows he's potentially dangerous.
What does this result in?
Obviously that other teams are pushed back, get nervous, shattered, which creates opportunities for players like Nedved, Trez and Del Piero etc.

However, although Zlatan IS valuable for his team, he hasn't exactly been brilliant all of the season in Juventus.
He might have had problems with motivation and some other team-mates etc, but it's NOT fair to call him selfish.

A lot of people expect too much of Zlatan. Every once in a while, players are off form, but that doesn't necessarily mean they've lost potential or become primadonnas.

I think swedish NT coach Lagerbäck is simply better at coaching his team than Capello is. He's taken Sweden, which didn't even qualify for the WC of 1998, to four consequtive major tournaments in a row and developed it to a very well coordinated, effective, strong team.
Lagerbäck's among the most underpaid coaches in the world of soccer (he earns appr 170 000 euro a year, Sven Göran Eriksson, for instance, earns appr 7 million euro yearly).
Juve_Pale
ok i never disputed the fact that he is not talented, he is a gun player and his potential seems unlimited. i only say that he has become lazy and cocky, the fans have had enough and so have many of the players (viera).
As for your comment abour Lagerbäck, i am sure he is an excellent coach, but to compare him to don cappello, who i am not a fan of by the way. is like comparing a datson to a ferrari
changing_my_display_name
Yeah,last match he's kinda dissapointing...
But at least he scored....
civitas
QUOTE(Juve_Pale @ May 11 2006, 03:32 AM) *

ok i never disputed the fact that he is not talented, he is a gun player and his potential seems unlimited. i only say that he has become lazy and cocky, the fans have had enough and so have many of the players (viera).
As for your comment abour Lagerbäck, i am sure he is an excellent coach, but to compare him to don cappello, who i am not a fan of by the way. is like comparing a datson to a ferrari


Concerning Zlatan:

Ok, we agree upon Zlatan being talented. Also upon him being cocky, but I guess you are aiming at being cocky in an immature/stupid manner, which I wouldn't say he is.

Zlatan's been accused of being lazy before, for instance by team-mates in Ajax and swedish football "experts".
I agree he's sometimes passive, but I've got a feeling it doesn't end there. It's not that simple.
Zlatan has a great understanding and vision of football. Few people can do what Zlatan Ibrahimovic did against NAC Breda or what Maradona did against much stronger teams. But just like Maradona didn't do this all of the time (then he'd would've scored 40 incredible goals a match or something), Zlatan is always looking for that golden opportunity. Like he's said about the NAC Breda goal; "It's takes planning to do something like that" (I wouldn't say strategical planning like one day in advance but tactical planning on the field).
The attack must be built up from the goalkeeper/defenders position, or you'll have to win the ball in the midfield. When this doesn't happen, what can a striker do? He can either stand and wait like Inzaghi and Zlatan often do or go deep and take part in the midfield struggle. Zlatan can take part in the midfield and even defence, but's that would be a waste and he knows it.
Also, what are his orders? Capello might have told Zlatan to, primarily, wait for players like Nedved to build up the attack and then finish or pass to a finishing Del Piero/Trezeguet. In a situation like that, Zlatan will be praised if he scores or makes an assist for a goal or be called lazy, selfish if no goal is created.
Zlatan hasn't been amazing lately, but neither have many other players in Juve.

Concerning Lagerbäck vs Capello:

Ok, I make it sound like Lagerbäck's a better coach than Capello, which of course is discussable.
On the other hand, I feel that Capello sometimes gets excessively carried away by the heat of the moment (not chiefly during the actual games though) and has too much of a fixed notion of what kind of player especially Zlatan ought to be. I sense Zlatan receives too little freedom.
But as neither you nor I know what's going on in Capello's head and what's being said in the locker room...
Lagerbäck seems to be more like Sven Goran Eriksson, solid, analytical, persistent - but without the desires for fancy women and a big net income.
Of course Sweden has better players today than in, say 1998, still, I don't think it's as simple as that. A good example of the understanding and good judgement of Lagerbäck is that instead of giving up the idea of Ljungberg in the NT (who was underachieving for a long time), he made the other players adopt to the unique runnings and shifting of positions that is typical for Ljungberg and after a long while that actually payed off (I'd say that Arsenal today has the same problem the NT of Sweden used to have in this area).

Is there a problem concerning Zlatan?
Yes there is.
But this problem is more of a combined Capello-Zlatan dilemma (and in the past perhaps a combined Moggi-Capello-Zlatan problem) than a pure Zlatan problem.
Again, why does Zlatan get along perfectly with the swedish coach and his swedish team-mates while this isn't the case in Italy?
It's not like we don't have other big stars (think of Larsson and Ljungberg) that compete with him for attention.
Maybe there's more of team spirit and - in some areas - more of competent managing in the NT of Sweden?
Stella_7
how can anyone say these things about Zlatan...he isn't over rated and he is one of the best players in the world today. he accoplished everything but winning a World cup with his international team. If you don't like Zlatan then you know absalutly nothing about football. smile.gif
Juve_Pale
ok, i understand you point of view, and i agree with some points. However he has failed to meet several crosses this season purley because he doesnt run. he doesnt pass as much as he should (authough this has improved over the last 2 years), and considering the amount of game time he has been given. somthing like 37 games(more than any other attacking player) his achivements have been well below what is expacted of a player of his calibure. i just think that people see all of his tricks and skills, which alot of the time eventuate into nothing, and dont see his lazyness. he could be soo much better if he put in the same amount of effort as say a del piero or a nedved. i guess this is what upsets me the most. People refer to him as a god, because he does a few tricks, he has the worst finish of any striker i have seen, with thiese factors, and his stubborness, cmon. for a player of his age and "potential" he is a waste of "talent" all i can say is i hope he is sold to madrid/chelsea, and we give mutu or a youngster like palladino ( who has a wealth of talent ) a chance
Stella_7
Ya if you Juve fans don't appriciate him. Its better if he would play for a big club like Manchester United. smile.gif
Pangu
i wouldnt have a pig at united...
AusFootball
QUOTE(Juve_Pale @ May 3 2006, 07:21 PM) *

No but B grade comedy does


ahaha ausome reply man
Chenrezig
QUOTE(Stella_7 @ May 16 2006, 12:07 AM) *

Ya if you Juve fans don't appriciate him. Its better if he would play for a big club like Manchester United. smile.gif


Or even a really big club like Milan! thumbsup.gif
fmfranck
QUOTE(Pangu @ May 17 2006, 06:08 AM) *

i wouldnt have a pig at united...


i would.
franco_juventus10
guys come on...even though zlatan ahs had his bad games..think of what he did in the begininng of the season..the guy nearly set-up most of juve's goals and was extremely dominant.......its jsut that his finishing touch isn't there and thats what's getting to his head. Once zlatan gets his finishing touch.he will be unstoppabel with all his confidence!
LAF
I think alot of Zlatans poor form had to do with Capello. In Europe he used him as a crash test dummy, ffs. He should be allowed great freedom to express himself and show us his incredible skill.
Romanian Magic
Zlatan was never a player i was fond of. He is just not that great IMO.
     
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