im asking myself the whole time which soleplate is prob better ... one piece (nike, puma, etc.) or two piece (only adidas as far as i know)

what do you think is better and why ???

i like the two piece ones from adidas more because they look more quality to me

PS: used search function and there was only a topic about which soleplate of which boot is good

i feel the two piece soleplate on the predator pulse is superb and has served me well over the last 2 years

i prefer the one piece soleplate on my nike vapors(hard ground), they give great support, as apposed to the two piece on my manias(soft ground studs) for sure, although on my two piece sole averios (first ones) with the hard ground blades give as good as the vapors.
so im putting my view upon the studs/blades the boots have to offer and how they contribute so the arch support an so on in terms of comfort. hope it helps

I've never worn 2 pc boots. To me it seems that two piece removes some of the protection to the bottom of the foot. I've been kicked on the bottom of the foot many times.

Other than that, I don't see much difference.

in my f50s (orig) as soon as i took them out of the box i could fold the toebox into the heel. so basically no break in time and they felt awsome. plus i was able to turn quicker with less chance of twisting my ankle!

i feel that the two peice sole is better than the single peice. i feel that it give a little better stability and yet allows you to turn with more confidence.

ok i got another question ... does anyone of you know why nike and the others dont make two piece soleplates (maybe the guy from hummel knows it ... or the nomis guy) ... and if there will be two piece soleplate shoes by other brands sooner or later (especially nike)

The new vapors are basically "two-piece" (they're split-soles). Also, the legends apart from the carbon fiber plate (which for me is the only advantage that one-piece soleplates have (witness Puma V1s) have separated studs.

hate to break it to you, but nike has a 2 piece boot..the talaria 3 are 2 piece..and lotto makes one as well..but it doesnt really matter

Isn't the new Lotto Zhero Gravity a 2-peice?? im not sure?

i used to have a pair of lotto futuro (or similar name) some 10 yrs ago. they had 2 piece sole

dont think they produce them anymore. it was a great boot. it was this pair that i went on to buy stadio.

to me, the 2 soles offer more flexibility when i turn. i am sure the recent lotto boots have a 'flexi' system or something.

currently wearing copa but i think stadio is better for me

well adidas's lower end boots have 1p sole and higher end have split sole so i'm guessing split sole is better

Or just a good way of charging more money for less material.

less material, but more stitching and labour

i love the 1 piece. I have adidas pred. absloutes and the 2 piece plate has no supprt and gives arch pains.

i would go with the puma cellerators 4 or the nike vapors(royal)

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In contrary, Nike's vapor 3 has a 1 piece sole plate and talaria has a split one!
I voted 2 piece because i like the look of it more, performance wise they'r pretty much the same!

true but to be honest i trust adidas more then nike. i don't know why

yeah adidas actually seemed to be putting thought into their products, making sure that everything they make is realible and wont be returned, however this changed when they released tunits and nike released their vaps 3, i think adidas has gone way down for that and nikes picking up the pieces for adidas to make a boot that fianlly doesnt cause you problems!

Maybe I can shed some light here.

In terms of performance, I would say both are equal. Funny how all the comments saying "this or that is better" give no rationale whatsoever...

In terms of correct anatomical and ergonomic performance, in any shoe (especially a performance shoe like a football cleat), what you want is the shoe to be stiff in the waist (middle of the foot under the arch), and only flex under the ball of the foot. This is how the human foot moves. take a slow-motion step and watch your foot, you'll see.

If the shoe flexes in the middle, where your foot doesnt, it can cause pain, discomfort and poor performance. If you foot flexes in the middle under the arch.....go to a hospital, you've just cracked about 10 bones!

I would imagine, that the split sole design originated from a creative designer trying to make a boot look lighter. Indeed it does. The actual weight difference, however, is probably very small though. If a boot uses a split sole design it must also have very good reinforcement inside the shoe to prevent the above mentioned flexing problems. Usually this is done with a semi rigid midsole.

This midsole (part of all boots) can be made from a variety of different materials, at different costs. For the cheaper boots, with the least stiffness required (entry level boots with one piece outsole) this is usually a cardboard type material. I should also mentioned that some top boots with a hgh quality stiff outsole design may use this type too.

A step up from this is molded insole, which can be made from either PE, TPU, or nylon. This provides more stiffness, can better fit the foot shape, and is of course more expensive.

The top choice, is of carbon fibre. very $$$$$$, but very stiff (note however that carbon fibre does completely crack in half if flexed beyond a certain point).

of course, like the F50, or tunit, this midsole stiffening property can also be designed into the insole...


hope you enjoyed today's lesson in shoemaking.

cheers,
R

God you're good hahaha.

vapours arent two piece at all ... and so arent the legends (where the hell shall there be a TWO-piece soleplate) ... and the talarias do have a two piece soleplate thats right but i meant high-end boots (and as far as i know arent there any high-end boots beneath adidas around with a two-piece sole plate)

PS: sorry for posting this so late but i am just interested in it and i was on vacation for 2 weeks without any internet so i had to post it so late