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A.N. Speed
Alright, as we all know, jerseys cost a lot. Well, a lot more than I want to pay whistling.gif

So, I usually look for jerseys in other places besides stores of high quality such as soccer spot etc. because they are expensive there. Every now and then I come across a nice jersey that I would like to buy but find that the jersey is fake, or i'm not sure about the authenticity so i'm afraid to buy which is why I made this thread!

For example, if someone finds a jersey like

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/34/zidane5vh.jpg

they might want to buy it, but is it authentic? Is it really only 15 dollars?

So I guess this is a place for me to ask you guys what's real and what's not, and if anyone else has any questions they can ask here too?

So my first three questions are as follow, The above Zidane Jersey smile.gif
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Soccer-Jersey-BRAZ...1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAIN-MORIENTES-10-Jer...1QQcmdZViewItem
Sky
If that jersey is 15 dollars i'd take it........ looks pretty good even though i dont like blue. Seriously though, it's the newest model, so the pricetag should tell you about the authenticity shouldn't it?
penguino
on ebay u bid on jerseys so that was the starting bid of 14.50 and also if it looks real and is a good quality and has a low price get it
HeyDingis
I have absolutely scoured ebay, always looking for the best deal on shirts. I've been collecting for a long time, and as I've gotten more and more familiar with eBay, I can honestly say that I think I can spot a fake better than anyone. I'm always happy to share what I've learned. First, though, let me say that football shirts are expensive. It's tough to ask someone to spend $70, $80, or even $90 on a shirt that will be outdated in two years. In that case, there are some people who have no problem buying fakes. They look real enough, and most people will never tell the difference. At a fraction of the price, some people are even OK if they do have a few differences. If you are OK with buying a fake, go right ahead.

I, on the other hand, can't stand them. I love football shirts, and I feel like they are works of art. I wouldn't buy a knock-off painting, and I wouldn't buy a knock-off football shirt. The quality is often considerably less than the real thing. I've even bought real and fake versions of the same shirt before, just to tell the differences. The fake one didn't even compare to the real thing. The stitching was poor, the colors didn't match, the badge was poorly constructed - overall, this made me decide once and for all that real football shirts were the way to go. So, without further ado, here are my tips for buying the real thing:

1. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. If you are trying to buy a Michael Ballack World Cup 2006 shirt, and the seller is only asking $15, it's fake. End of story. No seller in their right mind would sell the real thing for that price when it's worth so much more than that. If, however, they're selling the same shirt for $50-$60, there is a remote chance that it could be real and that you're just getting a good deal.

2. NEVER buy from Thailand. People may tell you that they are the real thing because they are coming directly from the Nike/Adidas/Puma/Kappa factory, but that is just not true. They are coming from sweat shops completely unaffiliated with the aforementioned brands. In fact, I don't think any of those brands even operate out of Thailand. Nike, for one, has factories in Portugal, Bulgaria, and Honduras - Not Thailand. If, on ebay, it says "ships from Asia" or the seller is located in Thailand, move right on to the next shirt. One out of every hundred Thai sellers may be real, but that's not a gamble worth taking. Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia - they all spell trouble. The tricky part is that these sellers will often say they are registered in the UK, when in fact their product is coming from Southeast Asia. For more information on fake football shirts, click here.

3. Pay attention to the wording. For instance, look at the Morientes shirt. It says "Brand New Soccer Jersey with tags. High Quality Soccer Jersey. Satisfaction guaranteed." They are not lying. It is all of those things. But what it DOESN'T say is "Authentic Adidas Jersey." It doesn't even say "Replica Adidas Jersey." Since they aren't even making claims that it is authentic, they aren't ripping anyone off by selling a fake jersey. They are, in fact, selling a "brand new soccer jersey with tags." Sellers will also try to trick you sometimes by saying "embroidered Nike Logo." That is also true - they are selling you a shirt with an embroidered Nike logo. But that doesn't mean that Nike is the one who embroidered it. If, on the other hand, a seller says that a shirt is "100% authentic licensed Adidas football shirt," there is reason to believe they are telling the truth. Some sellers even go a step further by saying "I don't sell Far East fakes."

4. Look at the seller's other items. If they are selling brand new, current shirts of the biggest clubs and national teams, with and without names, from every major manufacturer, it's probably a seller of fakes. Sellers are more credible if they sell shirts from several differnet seasons. Also, if a seller is primarily selling one brand, it is a good sign. That means there is a chance that they bought what is called a "job lot" from the manufacturer. If a shirt is about to expire, the manufacturer (say, Umbro, for example), will allow people to buy hundreds of the same shirt to sell as they please at a cut-rate price. These are completely authentic jerseys, but you'll rarely find job lots of the newest shirts. If a seller is selling the most current shirts, but they are at very high prices - maybe $10 less than you'd find in a store - they are also probably the real thing.

5. DO NOT TRUST FEEDBACK SCORES. Feedback stores are a good indicator of whether you will receive your item, but they do little in the way of proving a shirt's authenticity. For one, some people are OK with buying fakes. In that case, they would buy a fake, receive it, and leave positive feedback. Other people may buy a shirt, not knowing it is a fake. In that case, they could buy a fake without realizing it, still be happy with it, and leave positive feedback. If a buyer is unhappy with the shirt they received, they may still be reluctant to leave negative feedback for fear that they'll receive negative feedback from the seller. Generally, most people will only leave negative feedback if they didn't receive their item at all.

6. Use a little bit of common sense. If you really want a Bristol Rovers shirt, you'd have a tough time find a fake version of it. There are hundreds of teams that the fake manufacturers just don't bother making. If you want the real thing, as soon as it comes out, you're probably just going to have to pony up and pay full price. If you can wait a couple years, though, you'll be able to find that shirt you always wanted at discount prices - right before it's out of date.
dazzi
The authentic one would cost you a lot...depends on your budget really...
For me the main difference between the authentic ones is that the quality of the fabric they use for the shirt..
other than that the fake one done a very good job at faking it...
If you look for comfort and it is within ur budget.. i would recommend the authentic ones ...you wouldnt go any wrong with it...

Usually the USD 15 price tag is a fake jersey...
Hell... i get the jersey here for about USD 14 flat price...
for USD 16.50 we get the same jersey with our personalised name on the back... imagine a barcelona jersey with your name and number 10 on the back and looks very similiar with the authentic ones (the numbers,logo n such)...
We usually use the fake jerseys here for a team kits... its like every evening theres great game going on (Man Utd vs Juve, Brasil vs Papua New Guinea)... sofunny.gif
Hell who wanna use the authentic jerseys for a game ... with all those shirt wrecking pulls and tackles thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
And usually the fake jerseys only available for a famous club and national teams... whistling.gif


In my humble opinion if you opt for the fake one i would recommend a range between USD 13 to USD 18 for a jerseys with numbers and names... higher than USD 18 would be an expensive buy for a fake jerseys...
m7792
personally I wouldn't buy anything shipped out of Asia unless I was certain it was authentic

most of the fakes are manufactured in Asia
ritchie
Ive bought a few shirts of ebay shipped from asia ive had no problems with any of them. why pay 50 quid for a printed shirt when you can get the same thing for fifteen?!
HeyDingis
QUOTE(ritchie @ Apr 11 2006, 06:31 AM) *

Ive bought a few shirts of ebay shipped from asia ive had no problems with any of them. why pay 50 quid for a printed shirt when you can get the same thing for fifteen?!


Well, as a collector, I think it is worth having the real thing. The fakes I've known have been poorly made, and/or have fallen apart in the wash. The difference in quality is noticable. That said, I also don't believe in paying £50 for a shirt. I do, however, believe in waiting a year or two after they come out and getting the real thing for £12.
Sky
I have a few fakes made from China, they didnt fall apart in the wash and i used to wear them for training. After about half a year of washing about once a week or two, the logo started coming off, so i use them for wearing around the house, and i still do wink.gif
Juventus234


Heydingis nice post
ritchie
thats odd that because all mine have come with embroiderd logo's i dont think they are "copies" i just think that they are seconds. I just received a l/s barca shirt the other day and the only problem with it is is a loose bit of stitching on the cuff everything else is perfect

HeyDingis
As often as people have questions about fake vs authentic shirts on ebay, would it be a good idea to pin this topic so that we can have one thread for people to do that?
Timho
i found this site, they are selling alot of fake shirts:
Trikotdepot.com
Sky
Replicas airforce 1, replicas beer.gif
Timho
yes i know, but good quality
A.N. Speed
I bought an Henry Jersey a while ago, and oh man! No one can tell it apart from the real thing, it's crazy! When I walked into the local store the guy who works there that I know well liked it more than the real thing >.<

About 30 washes into it's life it's holding up pretty well, just the h has a small tear smile.gif.
Nipples
QUOTE(HeyDingis @ Apr 12 2006, 03:01 PM) *

As often as people have questions about fake vs authentic shirts on ebay, would it be a good idea to pin this topic so that we can have one thread for people to do that?

Sounds like a plan. thumbsup.gif And excellent post before mate, really helpful and informative smile.gif
beeflfc
just got the new liverpool home kit on ebay for 12 quid with name number and badges i know its fake but its the best fake i have ever seen, i took it to blackburn away and nobody new it was a fake i said i new someone who worked at adidas and they gave it me early laugh.gif laugh.gif

i know the fake i an exact copy of it as well because lfc realsed n official adidas advert and the back of my fack is the same, oh by the way ouir new home kit comes out 1st of june
MKgloryHorn
So I have an advantage supporting a small club (Watford), no-one will ever make a fake so I'll always be able to buy the real thing! I always buy from the club shop anyway, so I wouldnt have that problem. I have been tempted to buy shirts from Thailand before. I wanted to get a USA shirt with names and numbers on but its so difficult to find in England, and when you do its around £50, thats not even including shipping if it was from the states.
zebramofo
check the location of the item and the price if it seems to good to be true it often is

check the location of the item and the price if it seems to good to be true it often is
shirts85


what i usually do is open a window from subsidesports.com with lets say the 06/07
holland shirt. the authentic nike version.

i then compare it to the picture of the fake or suspected fake on ebay.

i look at the collar height and length for example.

the first round of holland fakes on ebay had massive collars that looked awful. however, the newer versions are coming out and they are looking closer to the real thing. you'll also notice that a lot of the sellers
have the same fake shirts on ebay.

i then look at the relation of the nike tick and holland badge and where they land on subside authentic shirt and then check it againt the fake on ebay.

on a barcalona badge, look where it hits on the blue and red striping on subside and then
see if it's the same position on the ebay shirt.

the 06/07 argentina shirt. if you look towards each side of the shirt from
the front, on the authentic, the last color stripe hitting the gold piping is the light blue.

on almost all of the fakes the color that meets the gold piping is white. (my opinion)

these are a few of the things you can look for if you want to

A. see if it's fake
B. if looking for a fake, try and find the best possible fake.

if you do it enough you really get the hang of it and you start to learn the tricks
of these sellers.

look at the details of the shirt and where they land on the authentic and compare it
to what you find on ebay images.

that being said, some sellers will use real images of authentic shirts so if eveything matches up
next check what others have mentioned before me:

A. if it never actually mentions the brand of the shirt it's probably fake
B. if it's from asia
C. if it's a low LOW price it's almost always a fake if not 100% of the time.

remember, if the shirt looks fine to you. go for it. i bought a fake juventus shirt this year
and it's beautiful. great stiching, numbering, detail. i'm satisfied and know it's fake.

hope that helps a little.

nimbus_racing
hi guys, thinking of buying a jersey online...(ebay)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

what do you guys think? the australia top is the one im looking at...
personally i think its real, just need some expert confirmation tongue.gif
HeyDingis
QUOTE(nimbus_racing @ Apr 28 2006, 04:53 AM) *

hi guys, thinking of buying a jersey online...(ebay)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

what do you guys think? the australia top is the one im looking at...
personally i think its real, just need some expert confirmation tongue.gif


I think you can feel good about buying from that seller. I have no reason to suspect he is a seller of fakes. He claims they are real, and the shirts are priced as though they are authentic.
nimbus_racing
thanks for the reply....

what do u think of this one?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

he claims its authentic supports the game etc...just cautious cos its coming from singapore....slightly cheaper than the other one...
23 Carra Gold.
QUOTE(nimbus_racing @ Apr 28 2006, 11:03 PM) *

thanks for the reply....

what do u think of this one?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

he claims its authentic supports the game etc...just cautious cos its coming from singapore....slightly cheaper than the other one...

He is a power seller 100% feedback. I know what you mean about being a little dodgy coming from singapore, but if you buy it and it is not what it was described as you can complain cant you and get a refund?
nimbus_racing
QUOTE(- Marc - @ Apr 28 2006, 08:23 AM) *

He is a power seller 100% feedback. I know what you mean about being a little dodgy coming from singapore, but if you buy it and it is not what it was described as you can complain cant you and get a refund?


on ebay if its not as described, then i can send it back and get a refund, but i have to pay for postage.
which is prob pretty expensive being overseas....
HeyDingis
I know this guy is from Singapore, but all other signs point to him being legitimate. He says he hates fakes, he says the products are 100% authentic, and the shirts come in a variety of sizes (most fakes come in either only XL or XL and M. I haven't bought from this guy, but I have thought about it. Postage to the US is just too much for my liking, but I would trust his products to be real.
nimbus_racing
thanks digis been a real help...

btw with the australia "iron-on" logo, do they come off easily in the wash?
Sky
Not all stuff from Singapore are fakes. A while ago they were one of the first to sell the newest boots, the Vapor 3 and Predator absolute white/gold, and all feedbacks are very positive, good shipping speed too. I'm sure there are some members here who are from Singapore/Malaysia can telll you that they have lots of authentic stores over there.
nimbus_racing
thanks ive decided to buy from him!
A.N. Speed
Woohoo my topic is stickied! cool.gif

Anyway, i've been perusing ebay for a Brazil Ronaldinho jersey but if you notice, the bottom of most of the jerseys have a green lining so the jersey has a flat bottom while the real one has a yellow bottom and is curved in the back. Watching out for things like that will help spot a fake.

nimbus_racing
i think it will be rather hard to find a real nike brazil shirt WITH the ronnie name....

most of the authentic ones dont come with names, ive decided with my australia one i bought to get the name done afterwards..
A.N. Speed
I don't mind a fake since i'll be playing in it, so right now i'm looking for a really cheap quality looking/made away Spain jersey. (No name needed) Any help is appreciated smile.gif

PS: Anyone use any other places besides Ebay for cheap as dirt jerseys?
nimbus_racing
what country you in? i noticed on ebay aus there are a couple of fake spain ones going around....

nimbus_racing
hmm interesting
look at this shirt...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

he claims it 100% nike, and it looks real to me, however, some of his other items are definately fakes. For instance his Australia World Cup shirt has a totally wrong logo, but on that one he does not claim it is a 100% nike product. This guy is pretty tricky, i suspect he is selling a combination of real and counterfeit products and many buyers are being caught un-aware.
HeyDingis
I think that guy is pretty shady. I still believe that if somebody says it is an authentic product, it USUALLY is. Since this guy seems to make subtle distinctions between what does say authentic and what doesn't, that tells me that he's a little deceptive. The arsenal shirt might be real, but his credibility is pretty bad since he sells other fakes. I wouldn't take my chances with this guy.
A.N. Speed
I live in the US, so Jerseys are normally up to 70 bucks around here >.<
nimbus_racing
QUOTE(HeyDingis @ May 5 2006, 08:39 AM) *

I think that guy is pretty shady. I still believe that if somebody says it is an authentic product, it USUALLY is. Since this guy seems to make subtle distinctions between what does say authentic and what doesn't, that tells me that he's a little deceptive. The arsenal shirt might be real, but his credibility is pretty bad since he sells other fakes. I wouldn't take my chances with this guy.


i know what u mean....
he just told me that the aus one is a replica, as in a fake rather than an "official nike replica", like say what you get at major sports shops...
I asked him about the arsenal one, he said that one was a "genuine nike replica"

This guy is pretty shifty, i mean when he says replica, its hard to differentiate between a "total knock off replica" or an "official nike replica"

I'm still pondering on the arsenal shirt, its the cheapest on ebay, it looks real, but im just not sure now that i know whats going on behind the scenes....
A.N. Speed
Pay him a visit smile.gif
Catch up on your Chinese, Mandarin, Japanese, Thai and other languages of the orient.
nimbus_racing
QUOTE(A.N. Speed @ May 7 2006, 09:18 PM) *

Pay him a visit smile.gif
Catch up on your Chinese, Mandarin, Japanese, Thai and other languages of the orient.


errr, what are u trying to say?
asian people sell fake goods?................. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
nunataker
well maybe hes tryin to say that most of the faked goods do come from asia which is a fact
nimbus_racing
QUOTE(onkel-ruppi @ May 8 2006, 08:35 AM) *

well maybe hes tryin to say that most of the faked goods do come from asia which is a fact


yes, but such a generalisation makes him look like a fool.
A.N. Speed
Or maybe you guys look like fools >.<
Maybe I ment go visit the guy (since it says he's from Asia) and implied sarcastically because I doubt you would go... practice you're Asian dialects, and I included a few examples since I wasn't sure what the seller knew.

You guys are such pessemists! And it's also hard to deny that many sellers are from Asia.
nimbus_racing
QUOTE(A.N. Speed @ May 8 2006, 07:27 PM) *

Or maybe you guys look like fools >.<
Maybe I ment go visit the guy (since it says he's from Asia) and implied sarcastically because I doubt you would go... practice you're Asian dialects, and I included a few examples since I wasn't sure what the seller knew.

You guys are such pessemists! And it's also hard to deny that many sellers are from Asia.


What if i live in asia, more specifically in the same country and more specically again in the same city...
Did you think of that?

Sure many sellers of fake goods are in asia, but there are also sellers of authentic goods in asia.

I think you should think before you speak next time.
Paulinho
If u want a Portugal home or away from ebay be careful because most of them r fake because they dont have the little cross on the top of the back...im looking for an away Figo but ebay is not an option for me...also many of the brazil ones dont say brazil on the back of the collar whereas authentic ones do
A.N. Speed
In that case you can still A. Visit the Guy B. Still speak an Asian language, so take it easy!

QUOTE
Sure many sellers of fake goods are in asia, but there are also sellers of authentic goods in asia.

I think you should think before you speak next time.

So what's your point, we already established that a while ago, there's no need to take up a vendetta against me.

Second I never said anything about Asians having more fakes, it was only YOU who brought it up.

Third, I didn't generalize, so I don't actually look like a fool, I just said pay him a visit to check which shirts are authentic and which arn't since you called HIM shifty yourself.
nimbus_racing
QUOTE(A.N. Speed @ May 9 2006, 05:10 PM) *

In that case you can still A. Visit the Guy B. Still speak an Asian language, so take it easy!
So what's your point, we already established that a while ago, there's no need to take up a vendetta against me.

Second I never said anything about Asians having more fakes, it was only YOU who brought it up.

Third, I didn't generalize, so I don't actually look like a fool, I just said pay him a visit to check which shirts are authentic and which arn't since you called HIM shifty yourself.

(Nipples removed. Abusive post)
Nipples
The topic of conversation that has been going on for the last page ends now. Anyone brings it up again in this topic and they get a warn. Comprendé?
Predator_boy10
QUOTE(A.N. Speed @ May 4 2006, 01:26 AM) *

I don't mind a fake since i'll be playing in it, so right now i'm looking for a really cheap quality looking/made away Spain jersey. (No name needed) Any help is appreciated smile.gif

PS: Anyone use any other places besides Ebay for cheap as dirt jerseys?


If you have a sports world nearby they do pretty chea shirts New Brazil £25 thumbsup.gif
diadOrapremiere
http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-Adidas-BECKHAM-REA...bayphotohosting

is that fake?
need reponse asap plz
ty much mates
     
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