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Carlos™
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"Sera boludo quitandome mi record" - Di Estefano
"Me cago en la hostia el viejo se entero" - Raul


THE REAL MADRID POST HALL OF FAME
Est. 2006




Rules are that the TOS applies to everything posted here.
Rules are that I will (or any RM mod) erase something that is unworthy of being here.

Rules are that you shall have fun while reading these things, even if they are about you (yes even me)
Rules are Cicinho the Great should be the first one to be made fun off (JK).


For GOD's SAKE have fun, but let them be quality choices.

Enjoy.
Cicinho The Great
QUOTE(Cicinho The Great - CARLOS GETTING OWNED BY CICINHO THE GREAT @ RM Discussion Corner)

Chivu would be great and I have been reading up about this Abidal character and he from what I have been seeing other people post about him he is not that great and overrated. Hopefully someone other than Abidal.

Juninho is 31 and 32 in January, I hope we don't get him. I always that he was younger because I have never heard of him until recently but I search him up on Wikipedia and he is 31.




QUOTE(Carlos - CARLOS GETTING OWNED BY CICINHO THE GREAT @ RM Discussion Corner)

Thats the Junhinho from Celtic dumas, the one from Lyon is 24.



QUOTE(Cicinho The Great - CARLOS GETTING OWNED BY CICINHO THE GREAT @ RM Discussion Corner)

laugh.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juninho_Pernambucano

Anyone think Carlos should be the first victim of the hall of fame
Carlos™
QUOTE(Cicinho The Great @ Apr 22 2006, 10:26 PM) *







I hate you..... crying_new.gif
Flaming-o
^^^
def a deletable one bigsmile.gif
Cicinho The Great
QUOTE(Carlos™ @ Apr 23 2006, 03:20 AM) *

Rules are Cicinho the Great should be the first one to be made fun off (JK).


QUOTE(Carlos™ @ Apr 23 2006, 03:29 AM) *

I hate you..... crying_new.gif


Paybacks a bitch laugh.gif
Becks-2307
haaahahahhahahahhhhhahaa i cant stop laughin ? 24 come on u cant be serious !
Carlos™
QUOTE(Cicinho The Great @ Apr 22 2006, 10:31 PM) *




Paybacks a bitch laugh.gif
Indeed it is. the_finger.gif

Keep them coming guys, lets get some good laughs in here.
Carlos™
QUOTE(martybabooshka @ Apr 22 2006, 10:38 PM) *
Cicinho's real name is Gaylord
OK, Marty the rules are to FIND a post, or a article that makes fun of something, or that is REALLY good in quality by one of our members, not to insult each other.

This makes the first post to be deleted.
Flaming-o
QUOTE(Carlos™ @ Apr 22 2006, 09:42 PM) *

OK, Marty the rules are to FIND a post, or a article that makes fun of something, or that is REALLY good in quality by one of our members, not to insult each other.

This makes the first post to be deleted.

i was actually trying to see if that would get deleted, hehe

QUOTE(Cicinho The Great @ Apr 22 2006, 09:29 PM) *

Mine will be on Wednesday smile.gif



QUOTE(martybabooshka @ Apr 22 2006, 09:39 PM) *

are you finally gonna get laid? at age 65?
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edit: in the happiest moment thread
Carlos™
OK, lets not litter the thread, if y9ou must, dig up old threads with funny shit, or REALLY good quality articles or thoughts on them.

I recommend you search some of Nando's posts, or Makavelli's posts, or even Dramlander's
Real 4 Life
Can someone remember the quote from a member about an injury crisis at both real and barca

he said somthing along the lines of:

DAMN ranting.gif

This is even worse for Madrid cos they have good players thats injured.

LMAO Can anyone else remember, It cracked me up.
Carlos™
QUOTE(Real 4 Life @ Apr 22 2006, 10:53 PM) *
Can someone remember the quote from a member about an injury crisis at both real and barca

he said somthing along the lines of:

DAMN ranting.gif

This is even worse for Madrid cos they have good players thats injured.

LMAO Can anyone else remember, It cracked me up.
do a bit of searching
Flaming-o
QUOTE(Carlos™ @ Apr 22 2006, 09:54 PM) *

do a bit of searching

your sig is worthy of being in here
Real 4 Life
Cicinho the Greats comment about Arsenal in the build up to the champions league clash.

"Most Real Madrid supporters had not ever heard of Arsenal prior to this game"

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Juanito™
QUOTE
Cicinho The Great:

WC 2006 winner: Real Madrid (because they've won everything else)


Nando.
QUOTE(Nando. @ Feb 23 2006, 11:36 PM) *

Tengo un tio del Espanyol, patriota y simpatizante del Madriz. Me encantan esos tipos de Catalanes, como Guasch biggrin.gif Viva er Guasch!



QUOTE(Carlos™ @ Feb 23 2006, 11:37 PM) *

Er Guasch para prezidente de la Generalitat!



Magic biggrin.gif
Carlos™
QUOTE(ze_89_us @ Apr 23 2006, 05:51 AM) *
thats actually REALLY funny, I mean as much as you self proclaimed you on HOF.. that shit was waaaaay to funny to pass up.
KUDOS on that.

QUOTE(Nando. @ Apr 23 2006, 01:26 AM) *






Magic biggrin.gif
ER Guasch es mussho Guasch, we need 3 gasols and and alonso... then maybe.. them maybe.... we can topple the tri-mierdit.
Flaming-o
QUOTE(ze_89_us @ Apr 23 2006, 04:51 AM) *

how did you do that?
Mané Garrincha
QUOTE(martybabooshka @ Apr 23 2006, 04:44 PM) *

how did you do that?


Got to ths user's profile, and then on 'profile options', select 'view member's posts'. thumbsup.gif
Carlos™
QUOTE(Nando. @ Mar 22 2006, 09:34 PM) *
Real Madrid are at a serious institutional crossroads. The club is in a serious state of disarray. Not only is the first team a mess, but everything from the board, to the scouting department, even the Basketball team is out of sorts.

Fernando Martin has a huge task in front of him, and how he handles it will have a very big effect on the future of this club. The administration of Florentino Perez has inflicted serious damage on the club's stability and image abroad. Around the world Madrid is seen as a joke, and at home people look at it with more contempt than ever.

The temptation to call elections is there...

The problem with having the elections is time. The club's rules state that there must be a period of at least 45 days between the time the outgoing president resigns, and the new one is voted in. In any other year this wouldn't be a problem. Given the gravity of this particular summer, and the fact that there is a World Cup (a tournament that does wonders to increase players' transfer prices) time is really of the essence. These next few weeks are crucial for the planning of next years team. Now is when the decisions for the director, the manager, and the transfer targets have to be made so that immediately after the season, negotiations can begin.

If Fernando Martin resigns now and calls elections, Real Madrid will remain inactive throughout this crucial time. And if Fernando Martin loses the subsequent elections, there would have to be a period of adjustment where the new president implements his own board, own manager, directors etc. Rest assured, if there are elections, the candidates will surely have a sporting director in mind, a manager and a few players. So July will roll around, teams will be ready to start next season and Madrid will be scrambling to build their squad.

So, in my opinion, elections right now are out of the question. I am a socio, and in my eyes, Fernando Martin is the legitimate president. It clearly states it in the club's rules, when a president resigns the board will elect a board member as the new president. Its the same in many democracy including the United States. You dont just vote for the president, you vote for his whole team including the vice-president.

Still, Fernando Martin will have to win over many skeptical fans. First and foremost he must make the press his ally, a tremendously important and difficult task. He should not shy away from an interviewer, he should not claim nationwide press conspiracies against Real Madrid (like Florentino was doing in his final months), in effect schmooze them a little bit. By having the press on his side he will go a long way in winning the fans over. Right now AS seems to be with him but Marca is still clamoring for elections.

He will also have to resolve this Benito Floro mess as it is giving the club a really bad look at the moment. If it is true that Benito Floro is resigning, Fernando Martin must name a successor and preferrably fire Ramon Martinez and Emilio Butragueño. Enough of the decision making messes. Those two must either be fired or have clearly defined roles. Right now Butragueño's title is 'Director Deportivo General' (General Sporting Director) and Ramon Martinez's is 'Adjunto al director deportivo' (more or less assistant to the sporting director. To add to the confusion, Benito Floro's title is 'Director de Futbol' (Director of football). So who makes the decisions? Who is the number 1? It would seem like Butragueño is number 1, but then who is number 2? His assitant, or the director of football?

Fernando Martin should clear this mess up as soon as possible and give defined roles to his employees. In my opinion, Butragueño doesnt have the personality to lead a team like Real Madrid. When you watch him speak he looks timid, scared, confused... He doesnt seem comfortable at the post, its as if it was too heavy for him. Benito Floro on the other hand seems confident, coherent, in charge and sure of his ideas. He has a clear vision of what he wants the club to be. He has always been a very studious man which is a great quality for the post.

So if I were Fernando Martin, I would do everything possible to convince Benito Floro to stay at the club, and make him in charge of Football related matters. If it is bad PR to fire Butragueño, I would relegate him to his original post, official representative of the club in public acts (a post he excelled at). I would give Floro the go-ahead to implement his plan of action: Pirri as chief scout, Schuster as manager, and Michel as Castilla manager. From there he can begin to build next year's squad.

Once 'normalcy' is restored so to speak, Fernando Martin must then retire into the shadows. He must avoid coming out in the press too much, and give the impression that he isn't really involved in the day to day. That is something that the Real Madrid supporter values. Lorenzo Sanz was criticised heavily for his penchant for getting his name in the papers, and many people point to Florentino's increasing appearances in the press as a sign that things weren't going well. After years of suspecting that the president meddled a little too much, the fan craves a President that will sit back, handle the club's finances responsibly, and allow the football people to do their jobs.

All the while the messages from the club must show a tinge of humility. They must get away from the arrogance of the Florentino years where Real Madrid was always 'the best team in the world, with the most money, the biggest stars etc'. That attitude has alienated alot of neutrals and even sympathisers.

It will be very interesting to follow the developments of the next few weeks.


Great post by Nando.
Carlos™
QUOTE(K SSJ 4 @ Apr 27 2006, 10:21 PM) *


oh but strategery is on my side...and if worse comes to worse Ill just pull a George Bush and call up Florida for the extra points...


On the Prediction league thread.... sad thing is that it would probably work! bigsmile.gif
Nando.
Ooo I got nominated. I thought nobody liked my rants laugh.gif
Carlos™
QUOTE(Nando. @ Apr 27 2006, 11:31 PM) *
Ooo I got nominated. I thought nobody liked my rants laugh.gif
Jeez if I knew you were so desperate for attention I would had created a let's praise Nando thread a while ago. fish.gif
K_SSJ_4
QUOTE(Nando. @ Apr 27 2006, 11:31 PM) *

Ooo I got nominated. I thought nobody liked my rants laugh.gif


SP and the RM forum are built on ur rants...no cement foundation for us...give me a Nando rant on why Ronaldo is a lazy waste any day!!
Nando.
QUOTE(K SSJ 4 @ Apr 27 2006, 11:51 PM) *

SP and the RM forum are built on ur rants...no cement foundation for us...give me a Nando rant on why Ronaldo is a lazy waste any day!!


You mean those racist, xenophobic, anti-obesic, rants? I love those laugh.gif
dreamlander
QUOTE
OK, lets not litter the thread, if y9ou must, dig up old threads with funny shit, or REALLY good quality articles or thoughts on them.

I recommend you search some of Nando's posts, or Makavelli's posts, or even Dramlander's


Cult status for me, though the least that our mod could have done is get my name right....half gratyifying, half belittling.

Carlos you inflate my ego, and instantly deflate it with that last comment.

Lets see what i can find on me and Nand0s frequent Ronaldo rants.

In the Try me for Thighs thread set up by IKER which is an article on R. Carlos. A somewhat bold claim by marty


QUOTE(martybabooshka @ Apr 12 2006, 09:29 PM) *

i have stronger thighs than roberto carlos, and my shot goes 120 mph clapping.gif
Mané Garrincha
QUOTE(Carlos™ @ Apr 23 2006, 03:48 AM) *

OK, lets not litter the thread, if y9ou must, dig up old threads with funny shit, or REALLY good quality articles or thoughts on them.

I recommend you search some of Nando's posts, or Makavelli's posts, or even Dramlander's


Makaveli who?
K_SSJ_4
QUOTE(Mané Garrincha @ Apr 28 2006, 02:43 PM) *

Makaveli who?



what was it..."Makaveli the don illuminati" or something...he was this stupid poster...I hated him mad.gif , thank god he's not here anymore!!...I dont know why Carlos mentioned him...very surprising...haha intelligent posts from him...haaa rofl.gif

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fricken A...I just wasted my 5000th post on that... doh.gif
ze_89_us
Very good post by Mane:

QUOTE(Mané Garrincha @ Apr 28 2006, 11:29 PM) *

Wow this is a hard one. I'm gonna break it down in era's to make it easier:

1950's: Francisco Gento, Di Stefando and Puskas.

1960's: Amancio

1970's: Juanito and Santillana

1980's: Butragueno and Vazquez

1990's: Redondo and Hierro

2000's: Raul, Morientes and Zidane

If I had to choose my favourite Real Madrid legend, he would come from this 'shortlist'. Everyone loves Di Stefano for what he has done, the best and most influencial player in this club's history and possibly the most complete player in the history of football. His passion and desire to win are legendary. Puskas was equally as good, although far from being as complete as Alfredo. He coulc not head the ball and couldn't hit a ball with his right foot. On top of this he was overweight and looked more like a pub footballer than a professional. But he was still magnificent, capable of conjuring up something out of nothing leaving his opponent in tears. From the two forwards I next go on to the left winger of the 1950's and 60's, none other than Franciso Gento Lopez. He is possibly my favourite Real Madrid player from this era, I do nt know why but I just love Gento with a passion. The most succesful player in the European Cup (six winners medals and 30 goals in 95 games) and one of the most succesful in La Liga (12 Ligas) and one of the fastest in the history of the game, he was one of the main, if not the main attacking catalysts for Madrid in the 1950's.

Gento's equivalent on the right wing was Amancio Amaro, the more skillful of the two, he played simply for fun, for the joy, not unlike Garrincha. He would regularly go out just to embarress his opponents, although not as fast as Gento he was just as good a dribbler of the ball. Goth Gento and Amancio played in the 'Ye - ye' side of the 60's and youthful Amancio along with the more experienced Gento were the two major protagonists of the side. Together they helped Madrid on it's way to it's sixth European Cup.

Next we have Juanito and Santillana, possibly the most passionate partnership in Madrid's history, two players who truly understood the spirit of Madridismo in all it's entierty. The first 'true' number 7 in Madrid's illustrious history, I remember Carlos once said 'Before Butragueño, before Raul, or any other seven.. there was Juanito'. Juanito and his partner in crime, Carlos Santillana were Madrid's first comeback kings, Juanito said once: 'Ninety minutes in the Bernabeu is a long time' and in those times it was, the Bernabeu was the most intimidating, nerve racking stadium in the world, partly in thanks to the passion shown by these two.

After the era of Santillana, Juanito, Del Bosque and Camacho we come to the world famous 'Quinta del Buitre', one of the most succesful teams Madrid has ever assembled. It boasted players such as Manolo Sanchís, Martín Vázquez, Míchel, Miguel Pardeza and of course the ever illustrious Emilio Butragueno. They were surronuded by other all tikme greats such as goal scorer exrtodinaire Hugo Sanchez. But it is Butragueno and Vazquez who really stand out for me. Vazquez was one of the greatest passers and most elegant players I have ever seen, had he been more athletic there is no doubt in my mind he would be remembered as a true great. Butragueno was similar in that he was also extraoqrinarily elegant and graceful, always about to do what you least expect, another one of Madrid's most famous comeback kings, he wolud often lead the Quinta in one of their famous comebacks at our beloved Bernabeu.

The 1990's started off particularly barren, the Quinta was losing much of it's power quickly and after winning 5 Ligas in a row, Barca and their 'dream team' won 4 consecutive Ligas under Johan Cruyff. That all changed with the inclusion of the one and only Fernando Redondo. Passionate, Professional and utterly magnificent, there may never be a Madridsta who has been, or will be loved as much as Fernando was. Acting as a defensive midfielder, he held the midfield togethe like I have seen no other man do, not only would he defend, he would attack imperviously, Real Madrid has a habit of producing/buying graceful and elegant players, and Fernando Redondo was another one of them, much like Zinedine Zidane who arrived only a year after Redondo's departure. He was called el príncipe (the prince) for a reason. If Redondo was the man mountain that held the midfield together, then Fernando Hierro was the rock at the back. Accompanied by fellow legend Manolo Sanchis, he played in a defence that was both solid at the back, and dangerous going forward. He accumalated well over 100 goals, many of which came from dead ball situations or from his great ability in the air. Along with Baresi and Maldini, Fernando Hierro was the greatest defender of his generation, just ahead of Sanchis. Another legendary player that deserves a mention Ivan 'Bam Bam' Zamorano, an incarnation of Hugo Sanchez, great though he was, he was never able to match the success of the great Mexcan.

The player that links the 1990's and 2000's has to be Raul Gonzalez. Deadly in the mid to late 90's and equally great in the early 2000's. Although his form has dropped considerably over the last few seasons, he will always be a Madrid legend in my eyes, his desire, his will to win and his love of the cluub are all factors that prehaps place him above any other Spaniard in the history of Real Madrid, and possibly even in the history of the Spanish National Team. He formed a deadly partnership with Fernando Morientes (too many damn Fernandos laugh.gif ) who is possibly possesor of the greatest heading ability in recent years. These two were nigh on unstoppable, together they formed a partnership that would strike fear into any defence in the world.

The last legendary player I shall discuss is one that sadly, shall soon be leaving us, his name is Zinedine Yazid Zidane: Zizou. Like Butragueno, Vazquez and Redondo he ooze graces, even his name has a certain elegace to it. He is the epitome of beautiful football, capable of practically anything, a true master of the football. His touch, his skill, his technique and his ability are all of the highest standard, the are not many players in the history of football who can boast that they have a first touch equal to or better than Zizou's. He is a true legend of the game, and one that shall live extremely long in the memory. His time at Madrid shall never be forgotten by the Madridstas, the highlight of his Madrid career possibly coming ih his first season, when he scored that volley. It was a goal of giant proportions, not only was the goal one of the most beautiful scored, but the sheer importance of it will make sure that it will be remembered for years to come.

Lastly, I will address the current Madrid squad and the potential there. Madrid has just come off of three terrible seasons, not winning a trophy for three years may not be bad for some clubs, but this is the worst period Real Madrid has had to go through since the 1950's. However, even in the face of adversity there is hope. There is some hope that a legendary player will rise up and take to the challenge at hand. For me there three players that spring to mind. Iker Cassilas, in many eyes the best keeper in the world already. Sergio Ramos, already one of Europe's elite at the tender age of 19. And finally Robinho, the boy from Brasil who at times looks unstoppable. There are of course others who are massively talented, such as Castilla players, Jose Manuel Jurado and Roberto Soldado, but these three look most likely to lead the club into a new era of glory, for now that is. If we were to compare these players to some of the legends of Madrid, who would we compare them to? Well Casillas is easy, he is a goalkeeper so naturally we would compare him to the greatest keeper's to have played for Madrid, those being Paco Buyo and Zamora imo. Can he match these two? Maybe. Sergio Ramos reminds me of Jose Antonio Camacho, passionate, determined and completely respected. There are some who will say that he is more like Hierro and I can see this, but I think he more like Camacho. Can he match and exceed Camacho? IMO defiantely. I rate Camacho highly, one of the true greats, but Sergio is immensly talented and looks better every game he plays. Lastly there is Robishow. I can honestly think of no player in Madrid's history that he is similar to. There was of course Gento and Amancio, but these two were pure wingers, Robinho while playing out wide is more of a left attacking midfielder imo. Similar to Zidane, except he is weaker and faster. Who knows, maybe one day Robinho will match Zidane, and I hope he does, but what is most important is that he, along with Casillas, Ramos and the rest of the squad (these three in particular though, and maybe Jurado and Soldado) make their own name. What is most important is that in say 30 or 40 years, we can reminisce of the glory years of Madrid and rightfully call them legends of Real Madrid CF.

How's that for a one word post Carlos?. bigsmile.gif

Carlos™
QUOTE(ze_89_us @ Apr 28 2006, 05:53 PM) *
Very good post by Mane:


NICE!
Andrés ©
I think I would like to nominate myself - how does this one look to you.

QUOTE(D. Andres -7- @ Apr 27 2006, 09:05 PM) *

Comparing Zidane to Ronaldo is like comparing a Mercedes to a Ford, there is no comparison.


Also does anyone remember the time I said "Ivan Campo has more Champions Leagues than Barcelona"... if anyone could find that I would be very thankful.
Carlos™
QUOTE(D. Andres -7- @ Apr 29 2006, 12:59 AM) *
I think I would like to nominate myself - how does this one look to you.



Also does anyone remember the time I said "Ivan Campo has more Champions Leagues than Barcelona"... if anyone could find that I would be very thankful.
thats pretty funny biggrin.gif
Valencia CF
QUOTE(K SSJ 4 @ May 2 2006, 05:25 AM) *

I like kittens that purr in my ear at night while I play with my power ranger dolls.
We can all agree I am pretty non-hetero at this time.



laugh.gif Sorry dude, I had too.
K_SSJ_4
QUOTE(Valencia CF @ May 2 2006, 07:39 AM) *

laugh.gif Sorry dude, I had too.


hahaha...well for one thing that was Carlos and his GMOD powers...secondly that IS pretty damn funny...
Flaming-o
QUOTE(K SSJ 4 @ May 2 2006, 08:16 AM) *

hahaha...well for one thing that was Carlos and his GMOD powers...secondly that IS pretty damn funny...

thats what they all say...
and who do this people think they are, God? with all their powers and stuff gmod powers, ridiculous



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Carlos™
QUOTE(martybabooshka @ May 2 2006, 05:48 PM) *

thats what they all say...
and who do this people think they are, God? with all their powers and stuff gmod powers, ridiculous



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Dude, KSSJ and I are in friendly terms... he fucks with me, I retaliate... but if you need to be in another forum like XT of TF, then by all means go join them... we wont miss you much. smile.gif
Flaming-o
QUOTE(Carlos™ @ May 2 2006, 10:57 PM) *

KSSJ and I are in friendly terms... he fucks with me,

sorry, i didnt know you had that type of relationship going whistling.gif

QUOTE(Peter Griffin @ July 9, 2006, 6:21 PM) *

I just thought you might want some extra seamen on your poopdeck.

Chris: Dad, what's the blow-hole for?
Peter: I'll tell you what it's not for, son. And when I do, you'll understand why I can never go back to Sea World.

¡¡¡¡Brazil just won the world cup!!!!
ze_89_us
Wll Carlos this is your chance (probably your only one) to enter the Hall of Fame, just type a nice, insulting and most importantly funny post to ban martybabooshka.
Flaming-o
QUOTE(ze_89_us @ May 4 2006, 09:41 AM) *

Wll Carlos this is your chance (probably your only one) to enter the Hall of Fame, just type a nice, insulting and most importantly funny post to ban martybabooshka.

he's actually the first one in the hall of fame cheers1.gif
ze_89_us
I wouldn't consider getting owned as being in the hall of fame, but whatever suits both of you.
K_SSJ_4
QUOTE(Jamg @ May 19 2006, 06:34 PM) *

Maybe I'm taking the phrase too seriously, but too many people like to say... well, immature things. I always wonder what this larger than life thing means. I mean, I understand the phrase "If I die doing something I love, don't cry for me", its like you're passionate enough about something that you'd take the risk of losing your life. But that's only taking the risk, and if you are to choose, would you want to live while keep on doing what you love, or just die from it? People would argue, they'd sacrifice themselves for their love ones... but thats life for life, so no one side is bigger. To say a team is bigger than life... I don't know... no life, no team.


very insightful...
Flaming-o
QUOTE(Nando. @ Jun 4 2006, 05:50 PM) *

Lorenzo Sanz has just confirmed that he will run.... finally.
IPB Image

"You come to me on this, the day of my daughter's wedding..."

i thought that this thread could be resurrected thanks to nando thumbsup.gif
Carlos™
Many Garrincha outdid himself with this one:



http://www.soccerpulse.com/forum/index.php...opic=93987&st=0







Nando.
Andy owning Carlos. On his birthday no less...

QUOTE(AF279 @ Jun 14 2006, 12:29 PM) *

I didn't know Nando was that old.

The topics mis-leading.
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Juanito™
QUOTE(Nando. @ Jun 15 2006, 11:14 AM) *

The Triumph of Class

After watching Spain's historic triumph over the Ukraine yesterday, I got the feeling that the team had undergone a revolutionary change, a turning of the corner if you will. They say that teams are a reflection of their manager, and that has never been more true than on the Spanish National Team. The historic cliche with Spain, a.k.a. La furia Roja (The Red fury) has been of a team that is passionate, proud, but limited and a bit naive. The past three managers were the embodiment of this cliche in their times as players. Javi Clemente, Jose Antonio Camacho and Iñaki Saez were all tough as nails defenders who made up for their lack of technical class through physical strength, and unbridled aggression. And if you look at the past National Teams, these managers have tried to surround themselves with similar players like Goikotxea, Ferrer, Etxeberria, Morientes, Albelda, Baraja, Raul Bravo, Salgado etc. Fans of the Spanish NT became used to seeing the seleccion simply outclassed by superior opponents.

Luis Aragones, however, was different. As a player for Atletico de Madrid in the 60's and 70's, he was the antithesis of Camacho, Clemente and Saez. Physically he was not gifted to say the least, and he used his tremendous class and skill to overcome his lack of pace. His outstanding skill was his ability to pass and create from an advanced midfield position, and you could see this quality reflected on his version of the National team. If there is one aspect where this Spain could conceivably be considered the best in the world at, its passing out of the midfield with players like Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Cesc and Iniesta.

Of these last three players, there is one obvious common denominator. They all learned their trade and developesd as players in Barca's youth academy. Barca's youth academy, historically not a strong point of the Catalan giants, underwent a massive reconstruction when Johan Cruyff arrived at the club as manager in the late 80's. Upon his arrival he created a culture of touch, skill, and most importantly, passing. He stressed the importance of the #4, the deep lying playmaker. HIs first student was Pep Guardiola, a player who was never able to replicate his club form for his country. The more Nationalistic Spaniards point to his Catalan separatist leanings, but I think it had more to do with 'La furia' cliche than anything else. Guardiola was never effectively used in the National Team and never given the role and importance that he deserved. Now Aragones has embraced this culture with three other alumns of the same school, and the results have been impressive. After the initial growing pains (revolutions are never easy), the team has been dominant in its last two meaningful matches (5-1 against Slovakia in the playoff and 4-0 against Ukraine yesterday) by simply holding the ball in midfield, and outclassing its opponents.

The revolution undergone in La Liga in the 80's with La Quinta del Buitre and in the early 90's with Cruyff's Dream Team has not transferred over to the National Team. Now the Spanish league is known as the most technical in Europe, the National Team is finally beginning to gain that reputation, and most importantly, embrace it. This does not guarantee immediate success (i.e. winning this World Cup), but it is surely a positive step in the right direction.

Aupa España manque pierda!

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Top quality post. thumbsup.gif
K_SSJ_4
I know he's a cule, but I think we can make an exemption for King Cule...

QUOTE(DJ Jazzy Jeff @ Jun 24 2006, 10:27 PM) *

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As for Zidane, those training kits look a bit like something you'd find in the backstreets of Amsterdam accompanied by whips and chains. Or maybe it's just Zidane... something sinister about him there.
Flaming-o
QUOTE(Tozz @ Jun 30 2006, 08:44 AM) *

making goals any ways necessary, is a honorable thing, so now shut up.

i know it wasnt it here but i thot it was a great response when i brought up the hand of God rofl.gif
Mané Garrincha
I'd like to nominate my own post in the Cule Corner. Simply because it uses marty's 'patented' word laugh.gif

QUOTE(Mané Garrincha @ Jun 30 2006, 08:53 AM) *

Yep, normally we have a 6 week holiday, but my exams finished last week and we get an extra 4 weeks off for some reason. smile.gif it's ridunculous™ bigsmile.gif

Flaming-o
can i object to the nomination?
     
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