I just heard that the KNVB are thinking of building a stadium for the Dutch national team, like they have in England and Belgium.

I think it could be a nice idea, even though the Arena, the Kuip, and the Philips Stadion are all great stadiums. When 'oranje' doesnt play there there could be concerts and the Cup final and the SuperCup final could be played there. And if Holland want the World Cup of 2018 which they were thinking off, they are going to need new stadiums anyway.

However, if this does happen there is offcourse going to be the commen problem of: where is it going to be?


I am not againest this, nor for it.

What do you guys think?

ehh, sounds like a far fetched idea. as far as holland hosting the 2018 WC it would be great. but i feel in adition to the Kuip, ArenA, and Philips Stadion we need 5 more quality stadiums maybe more. and those 3 stated above will need renovating, although the ArenA is fairly new

I think the Gelredome should do fine too.. But if we really want to aim for a WC we need way more. But I dont know if there would be teams who'd get the stadiums full afterwards. Utrecht will, the Galgenwaard is pretty big already

Yes, i think that we should renovate the stadiums of the 'subtoppers'. For example: Utrecht, Heerenveen , AZ (if it is still a 'subtopper') and maybe Twente. The stadium of Vitesse is nice, but there was a lot of critique this world cup on the indoor stadiums. I don't know what exactly it was, i think it got to hot in there or something of that sort.

I think the Philips stadium needs expending. Quick question; I thought PSV wanted a new stadium because they have to pay so much for the Philips stadium?
Groningen have a nice stadium but should be bigger if you want to organise such an event like the WC.

I think you will have to renovate most, if not all, stadiums. Compare them to the Allianz Arena from Bayern Munich and we have like small training fields.

a whacked idea. the knvb knows damn well holland isn't as passionate bout soccer as some of our european neighbours. even if it's against tiddlywinks, a wembley or stade de france is either sold out of close to. when holland plays friendly games, you'd be lucky if a third of the stadium is filled up.
a much better idea, if there has to be a national stadium that is, is to make one of the 3 biggest stadiums the home base of oranje. but then conflicts could arise. though the knvb has the final say in it no matter what, so they could do it in principal.

one final thought i just had, is to renovate the olympic stadium in amsterdam a bit and make that the national stadium. though if it's gonna be a pure soccer-only stadium, that running track shouldn't be there.

They wouldn't change an Olympic Stadium, by law they aren't allowed to remove the running track on an Olympic Stadium because the IOC helped to pay for it

I don't think there's any need for a National Stadium, I mean, Hampden in Glasgow for Scotland gets used and fans come from all over the country, why not just use the stadiums we already have in Scotland to host the national team on a revolving basis...

I don't think anybody would mind if De Kuip, ArenA and Philips Stadion were used to host the Qualifiers and the smaller grounds like AZ and Vitesse could be used for friendlies or Qualifiers against smaller nations would they?

It would be an expensive thing to construct, and then, where does the KNVB put it as to avoid favouritism to Amsterdam or Rotterdam, or even Eindhoven?

If huge countries like Spain and Germany get by without a National Stadium, so to speak, then im sure Holland doesn't need one

We certainly don't need one. De Kuip and the Arena do fine, and less important games can always be played at the Galgenwaard, Gelredome or the Phillips Stadium. Sometimes they aren't even full.. This country could spend that money in a better way.

Exactly...

Hampden is a white elephant that only gets used 6 times a year, 7 with the UEFA cup final, and Glasgow already had 2 50k plus stadiums, never mind a UEFA 5 star stadium...

Scotland are lucky to get 50k each match, never mind needing a national stadium

don't be so arrogant. just coz ur ajax doesn't mean phillips stadium is a small stadium. if u look back over the qualifiers for the 2006 world cup. psv's stadium was used just as many times as the 2 bigger ones.
galgenwaard and gelredome can be considered mini oranje venues.

In terms of Capacity The ArenA(68,000) is way bigger than Phillips Stadion(35,200). If the KNVB has their mind set on profit return and ticket sales then choosing the ArenA would be logical to host big matches such as the upcoming Holland-England in november.

and u claim to be living in holland?, near amsterdam? dude, ur a joke. the ufo has a capacity of just over 51,000. what the hell gave u the idea that it's 68,000???
what you say does make some sense though. but why do the knvb decide to have just as many qualifiers in the phillips as in the arena? as i mentioned before.
talkin bout friendly. holland - mexico(phillips), holland - australia and holland - cameroon(both de kuip).
who says the arena is in favour?

The entire country likes to piss over the Arena. It's a shame.. The Kuip can be called Oranje's regulair stadium, I can live with that. I've been in both stadiums and myself I can not understand why everyone hates the Arena so much (ofcause it gives me a different feeling every time, because I am an Ajax fan), but I think it's an impressive building. Just love the new rolling-stairs

But I will not deny that the Kuip can get better football atmospheres

I don't think there would be issues with wether or not holland is pasionate enough about football for them to host the world cup. Especially after World Cup SA in 2010....Hosting the world cup would certainly invoke some passion for the game. The big question in my mind is stadium capacities, but if they build one big capacity stadium for the finals and the real big clashes it would be ok.

I'd love to go to Holland for a World Cup, I think I'll either go to South Africa or whatever the next one is but If the next one is in Europe there's no way I'm going to South Africa.

Foreign visitors are always pretty impressed by the Arena. It's just the Dutch who like to burn it down. Although imo it's the second best stadium in Holland. If only they would do something about the acoustics and make the seats go till the pitch it would be a great improvement.

True. Because it's Ajax'. People either love Ajax, or hate them with a passion

It is very expensive to operate too, that roof takes up so much electricity.and they need to get rid of that football team because they chew up the pitch! But back to the subject, if Holland bid for the 2018 world cup the ArenA, De Kuip, Phillips Stadion and Gelredome would be our principle venues right? Germany this year had 12! We would need to make renovations to those 4 to meet Fifa's standards and on top of that probably 6 more stadiums. Building a National Stadium would only help their cause for getting the World cup, but not for filling a satdium for every international game.

If there were to be one, I feel it should be in The Hague. If it is up between Rotterdam and Amsterdam it will only cause trouble..

OMG i cant belive what people are saying about the arena it is amazing!! I Went there on a tour last year watched the amsterdam tournmet it was a different and fantastic expiernce. A werid but wonderful looking stadium. Great architecture!someone show me a picture of a stadium in holland better than that? I love it wonderful ground.

Yeah I agree. Really don't get why many people in Holland hate it..

De Kuip (Feyenoord stadium, Rotterdam) is supposed to be our first stadium. In Carlos' 'Stadiums across Holland' are pictures of every stadium of the HCE teams.

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i got nothing against the arena. it's a pretty nice stadium. shame bout the pitch though. anyway, i think it's too easy for some people to see the phillips stadium as a little backyard playground when in fact it's just as in favour with the knvb for oranje games as de arena, and de kuip.
of course, coz it's smaller capacity, it's not an appropriate venue for semi-finals and finals. but if holland is gonna have a serious crack at bidding for the 2018 world cup, i'm sure phillips stadium capacity will be increased to at least 45,000.

The Arena just has never witnessed the quality of football and the atmosphere De Meer had.

JCV, the pitch used to be terrible but now it's one of the best in Europe.

In some of staduim's al you have to do is to take ou the corners and replace them with seats like Man Utd done in the top tiers of Old Trafford, and then bang you have 30,000 seats in another couple of staduims. Same with the Phillips Stadion, you could easily add a couple of thousand to that staduim. Also Az look as if they could do with a new one.

Also Captain Carrots said that you can't take the running track away from an Olympic Staduim, didn't Barcelona at the Nou Camp by digging down into the grounf to gain more seats - Also Ajax should do that, that speace between the stands and the pitch look odd.

Yes indeed there is a big gap between the last tier and the ground level of the pitch. Im sure its like that for security reasons so fans dont have acsess to jump onto the field or whatever. But there is certainly enough of a gap between it to make another tier with about 5,000+ more seats.

It's there for other events such as concerts. The Arena isn't owned by Ajax...

AZ has got a new stadium. They played their last match against FC Groningen for the Play-Offs in the Alkmaarder Hout. I was planning to change Carlos' topic but couldnt get into his posts.. Will change it now

Hey I am a Feyenoord fan but I don't think the Arena is ugly. Just like you say the atmosphere in de Kuip is just sooo brilliant.