sarrazin19
Jul 10 2006, 09:20 PM
I no ive been around the site bashing italy but theres no deneying that connavaro's is a great player who do u think is a better center back for me after this tourny its gotta be connavaro
Boffy
Jul 11 2006, 06:38 AM
Still John Terry but only just. The guy is solid, his only let down is international performances. He does everything a defender needs to do plus chips in with the goals.
Dirk Gently
Jul 11 2006, 06:41 AM
Cannavaro has been good at the WC, but he was substandard in Europe imo. I think Cannavaro -can- be better, but JT is much more consistent, and I think Nesta on his day is probably better than either.
CCT
Jul 11 2006, 08:21 AM
I totally agree with what Dirk Gently has posted. Terry is the most consistently amazing defender which makes him the best CB in the world for me. But Cannavaro on form is better and Nesta on form is better than them both.
.Pep Guardiola.
Jul 11 2006, 08:24 AM
Cannavaro is easily better than Terry. So is Nesta.
Best 7
Jul 11 2006, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(Carles Puyol @ Jul 11 2006, 08:24 AM)

Cannavaro is easily better than Terry. So is Nesta.
On what basis?
.Pep Guardiola.
Jul 11 2006, 11:58 AM
QUOTE(Trickster22 @ Jul 11 2006, 11:07 AM)

On what basis?
What kind of dumb question is that?
On the basis that Cannavaro and Nesta are better players than Terry.
Matt_BCFC
Jul 11 2006, 12:05 PM
Cannavaro is much better. Id say Cannavaro is the best defender in the world. His distrubtion is amazing he never hits an aimless lonmg ball like Terry.
Dont get me wrong Terry is a brilliant defender and I see a lot of him being English I just think hes a bit slow and his distrubtion can be poor.
Pompeyboy
Jul 11 2006, 12:22 PM
Cannavaro is the best defender in the world, and is 5'7, i dont know how that guy does it at that height.
Cannavaro is older than terry, and upon cannavaros retirement terry will be the best defender in the world.
Easy V
Jul 11 2006, 12:26 PM
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Cannavaro is easily better than Terry. So is Nesta.
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On what basis?
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What kind of dumb question is that?

On the basis that Cannavaro and Nesta are better players than Terry.
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4. Your message must add something of substance to the discussion. Do not post silly or incoherent messages (or one liners) just because you are bored, or for any other reason.
If people are going to post an opinion can they try to expand on it please, rather than posting one liners for the sake of it. That goes for
all members, and of course, all of the topics in this forum.
The Phenoms forum really should be one of the best on this site, yet all we get are petty arguments and insignificant comments. Let's try to raise the standard here please, it's for everybody's benefit
Best 7
Jul 11 2006, 12:50 PM
QUOTE(Carles Puyol @ Jul 11 2006, 11:58 AM)

What kind of dumb question is that?
On the basis that Cannavaro and Nesta are better players than Terry.
I fail to see how you can consider them "easily better" as they haven't been as consistent as him over the whole season. His performances for chelsea and england have been immense.Cannavaro is one of the best defenders there is and had a brilliant world cup but he hasn't been as consistent for juventus this season the same goes for nesta at milan.
TheWorldGame
Jul 11 2006, 01:04 PM
Cannavaro. He is better in every aspect, and has been at the top for alot longer than Terry has. When it comes to defence you cant really compare anyone with the Italians. Just like Brazil produce the players with the best attacking flare, Italians produce the best at the other end.
QUOTE(Trickster22 @ Jul 11 2006, 12:50 PM)

I fail to see how you can consider them "easily better" as they haven't been as consistent as him over the whole season. His performances for chelsea and england have been immense.Cannavaro is one of the best defenders there is and had a brilliant world cup but he hasn't been as consistent for juventus this season the same goes for nesta at milan.
Actually, Cannavaro was very consistent for Juve this season. They broke defensive records.
Matt_BCFC
Jul 11 2006, 01:05 PM
QUOTE(Pompeyboy @ Jul 11 2006, 12:22 PM)

Cannavaro is the best defender in the world, and is 5'7, i dont know how that guy does it at that height.
Cannavaro is older than terry, and upon cannavaros retirement terry will be the best defender in the world.
I heard hes 5'10?
Boffy
Jul 11 2006, 01:13 PM
See the problem with this thread is it was started on the back of a great tournament for Cannavaro had the tables been turned and Terry had a great tournament, the masses would say Terry is better.
Fact of the matter is Cannavaro has always remained in the shadow of Nesta until this tournament. Terry has been awesomely consistent being part of a defence that has been the best in EPL for the last 2 seasons.
Best 7
Jul 11 2006, 01:15 PM
QUOTE(TheWorldGame @ Jul 11 2006, 01:04 PM)

Cannavaro. He is better in every aspect, and has been at the top for alot longer than Terry has. When it comes to defence you cant really compare anyone with the Italians. Just like Brazil produce the players with the best attacking flare, Italians produce the best at the other end.
Actually, Cannavaro was very consistent for Juve this season. They broke defensive records.
Cannavaro's had some iffy moments though for them this season,where as terry imo has rarely made errors.
urbanlegend
Jul 11 2006, 01:17 PM
Mmm... Cannavaro was just never as spoken about in the media. If you look at his club record, you can see that he's done very well for himself with Parma FC and Juventus FC. As far as the national team goes, he's not the type of player you hear a lot about on the pitch but he executes better than any other defender today. It was only this year's World Cup that brought him so much attention. Often times the way he executes tackles reminds me of how Baresi and Maldini would execute... so cleanly and at the RIGHT time.
One shouldn't confuse media attention and hype of a player over his actual skill. Some players are 'quiet' on and off of the pitch and just do the talking when it comes down to completing their role for their team.
Pompeyboy
Jul 11 2006, 01:21 PM
QUOTE(Matt_BCFC @ Jul 11 2006, 07:05 PM)

I heard hes 5'10?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Cannavarosays hes 176cm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...eet&spell=1thats short for center half.
ze_89_us
Jul 11 2006, 01:22 PM
QUOTE(Trickster22 @ Jul 11 2006, 08:50 PM)

I fail to see how you can consider them "easily better" as they haven't been as consistent as him over the whole season. His performances for chelsea and england have been immense.Cannavaro is one of the best defenders there is and had a brilliant world cup but he hasn't been as consistent for juventus this season the same goes for nesta at milan.
Actually Cannavaro has been performing consistanly for a few years now with Juve.
Tbh it is very close, they are almost equal, both are spectacular on their day. Still Nesta is better than both on his day, and Maldini is better than all 3 of them on an off-day
God of Football
Jul 11 2006, 01:56 PM
Cananvaro was allways underrated , and still is , especially if u look some posts above . He Immense he can lead defence's , and he played with 3 different defenders at the tournemts.
I dont think he is incosistent , he had two great seasons with juventus , and at inter he was already wc , but his team never helped him at all , i still remember him OWNING shevchenko at the cl clash 02/03 but as soon as cordoba took on sheva , sheva scored.
IMO cannavaro is better than Nesta and nesta is better than terry , and as ze_98_us said maldini owns all of them
Best 7
Jul 11 2006, 02:46 PM
QUOTE(God of Football @ Jul 11 2006, 01:56 PM)

Cananvaro was allways underrated , and still is , especially if u look some posts above . He Immense he can lead defence's , and he played with 3 different defenders at the tournemts.
I dont think he is incosistent , he had two great seasons with juventus , and at inter he was already wc , but his team never helped him at all , i still remember him OWNING shevchenko at the cl clash 02/03 but as soon as cordoba took on sheva , sheva scored.
IMO cannavaro is better than Nesta and nesta is better than terry , and as ze_98_us said maldini owns all of them
I'm not saying he's incosistent I'm just just saying imo he's not as consistent as terry, just my opinion though as terry for me is probablly the most consistent player in the world based on the last two seasons.
Liverpoolno1
Jul 11 2006, 03:08 PM
Cannavaro by a country mile. He's better, Terry still screws up a lot but he's young so he'll learn, but there's no need for this comparison Cannavaro is much better, and I'm an England fan(and hate Italy) so there's no bias here.
SUPES
Jul 11 2006, 03:12 PM
nt just with juve if i remeber he was FiFA defender of the year when he was with parma
WOW MY 300 POST...........
.Pep Guardiola.
Jul 11 2006, 08:22 PM
QUOTE(Trickster22 @ Jul 11 2006, 01:50 PM)

I fail to see how you can consider them "easily better" as they haven't been as consistent as him over the whole season. His performances for chelsea and england have been immense.Cannavaro is one of the best defenders there is and had a brilliant world cup but he hasn't been as consistent for juventus this season the same goes for nesta at milan.
Easily doesn't mean much better, even if he is much better. I think he is easily better than Terry. This is because it was an easy decision between the two. I didn't have to take time to think about who is better. The decision was easy. It isn't anything very hard to understand. I am sure if you really think hard you can understand what I am saying.
Cannavaro is better than Terry at basically everything. Maybe not headers because he is shorter, but nobody ever outjumps him, and his heart makes up for it.
EDIT: And here are some short clips of what make Cannavaro a better player. A long compilation or a watching games would obviously do more justice, but oh well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SexGp3YDSI8&search=Cannavarohttp://youtube.com/watch?v=GHJveEmXFo8&search=Cannavaro
ilcapitano_05
Jul 11 2006, 08:32 PM
This is a hard decision. After his performance at the World Cup you think he'd be the best in the world. But as you say, Terry is very consistenet in the Premier League and in Europe. So too is Cannavaro. He was one of the main reasons behind Juve's success over the last two seasons. They're both reliable defenders and great leaders. For me, I'd say Cannavaro is better, only because he's my favourite player. But both of them are true world class players.
PazzaInter
Jul 11 2006, 08:34 PM
Anybody who says Cannvaro has only been good the last few years clearly does not know what they are talking about, hes been a world class defender and CONSISTENT for at least the last 8-9 years.
dooder1
Jul 11 2006, 11:05 PM
Terry is only 25 and will have time to reach the level of Cannavaro, who is the better player, not by much. I think its his pace and anticipation that are the only big difference.
Vanderuy
Jul 11 2006, 11:28 PM
Cannavaro is clearly better than overrated terry,cannavaro is commanding in the back and better with the ball at his feet,the man is damn good i wish he plays for arsenal

but he is getting old which may just be a disadvanage for him.
RED A.N.G.ER
Jul 12 2006, 12:33 AM
Cannavaro is better at reading the game and the better tackler and although Terry scores more goals -and own goals - he isn't better in the air by much even though he is much taller Terry also has many mistakes while Cannavaro doeasn't have a lot if any.
And at 33 he is still stronger and much much faster so unless Terry can inprove physicaly in the next ten years and become faster then there is no way Terry would be better.
prince_k
Jul 12 2006, 01:06 AM
Very close between the two, they're both strong defenders with great leadership but I'd give the edge to Terry because he is younger and I believe he has a better ability to motivate a team.
escaflowne
Jul 12 2006, 10:04 AM
Cannavaro is better than Terry in everything. Tackling, anticipation, heading, marking etc. I didnt consider Terry as consistent because so far hes been great for only two season where as Cannavaro has been world class defender since he was at Inter.
World
Jul 12 2006, 11:10 AM
Cannavaro at Inter was a shit.
One of the worst Inter's defenders in the last 10 years.
Terry is easily better ... remember that Cannavaro has been playing in Juventus for 2 years ..... .... bad tackles by juventus defenders weren't punished as they deserved.
I can remember 2 o 3 tackles when Cannavaro deserved to be red carded ... but he didn't get any card.
Too easy being a good defender at Juventus, cause you're helped a lot by referees....
Best 7
Jul 12 2006, 11:46 AM
QUOTE(Carles Puyol @ Jul 11 2006, 08:22 PM)

Easily doesn't mean much better, even if he is much better. I think he is easily better than Terry. This is because it was an easy decision between the two. I didn't have to take time to think about who is better. The decision was easy. It isn't anything very hard to understand. I am sure if you really think hard you can understand what I am saying.
Cannavaro is better than Terry at basically everything. Maybe not headers because he is shorter, but nobody ever outjumps him, and his heart makes up for it.
EDIT: And here are some short clips of what make Cannavaro a better player. A long compilation or a watching games would obviously do more justice, but oh well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SexGp3YDSI8&search=Cannavarohttp://youtube.com/watch?v=GHJveEmXFo8&search=CannavaroLast time I checked when someone says easily better it means much better. How would I know you saying he's easily better would'nt mean exactly that, i'm not you am I. If you write a line that suggests he's much better I'm going to question it if I don't agree, no need to write snide comments trying to make me look foolish when your at fault.
And no offence you can't post a couple of clips one of him tackling schevchenko who's not even that great at dribbling and another of him scoring a goal all be it a very good one and base that on him been the better player. Terry tackles better dribblers than schevchenko, and he also has been known to score some very nice goals.
Cipe
Jul 12 2006, 11:50 AM
QUOTE(World @ Jul 13 2006, 02:10 AM)

Cannavaro at Inter was a shit.
One of the worst Inter's defenders in the last 10 years.
Terry is easily better ... remember that Cannavaro has been playing in Juventus for 2 years ..... .... bad tackles by juventus defenders weren't punished as they deserved.
I can remember 2 o 3 tackles when Cannavaro deserved to be red carded ... but he didn't get any card.
Too easy being a good defender at Juventus, cause you're helped a lot by referees....
You are terribly terribly wrong, like Terribly Wrong, Easily Cannavarro has been one of the best Defenders in Europe for the last 10 years.
World
Jul 12 2006, 12:01 PM
Don't you remember how cannavaro played for Inter ?
You support Inter ... how can't you remember ?
Terry is a way better in tackling ... and expecially in heading.
Terry's heading is the best in the world.
But I think that Samuel is better than them both.
Cipe
Jul 12 2006, 12:06 PM
QUOTE(World @ Jul 13 2006, 03:01 AM)

Don't you remember how cannavaro played for Inter ?
You support Inter ... how can't you remember ?
But I think that Samuel is better than them both.
Yes i do, but before that and Afterwards he was truely awesome, Back in the days when Walter Samuel was with Roma he was the best Defender in Italy.
World
Jul 12 2006, 12:16 PM
Before that I agree.
Afterwards ..... I don't count it ... How many times has he deserved to be red carded ?
When Roma won the Serie A Samuel was their best defender.
yeah , he contributed a lot in Italy's victory ...... but he's too short for a defender ......
That's why Cordoba - Cannavaro was a disaster
while Cordoba - Samuel is awesome
Cipe
Jul 12 2006, 12:28 PM
QUOTE(World @ Jul 13 2006, 03:16 AM)

Before that I agree.
Afterwards ..... I don't count it ... How many times has he deserved to be red carded ?
When Roma won the Serie A Samuel was their best defender.
yeah , he contributed a lot in Italy's victory ...... but he's too short for a defender ......
That's why Cordoba - Cannavaro was a disaster
while Cordoba - Samuel is awesome
Roberto carlos is Short hes amazing? Cordoba also is short hes also awesome?
DBoss
Jul 12 2006, 12:30 PM
I absolutely love both players but I think Terry has the advantage. He is great defensively, has played with weak defenders and shone and is very capable on set plays for his team. Not only that but he is much younger, experience usually helps defenders alot in coping with today's game. I'm not saying that younger defenders are automatically rubbish but as you play more you become less phased in your defensive duties.Actually, i seriously doubt Terry would be that good if it weren't for the influence of Desailly in his early days.
PazzaInter
Jul 12 2006, 03:45 PM
He wasnt that bad at Inter, perhaps his worst spell of his career but definetly not terrible. i dont really understand how people can say John Terry is better than Fabio Cannavaro.
Tume
Jul 12 2006, 04:56 PM
Cannavaro all the way. you can say that Cannavaro was horrible at Inter... Wich he in reality wasen't and if you come up with that. Then I think you should remember Terry before Mourinho. If Cannavaro was horrible then what was Terry???...... But the question is ho is better defender. so I would think you mean the present day?? Well that Cananavaro and that has been so for long long time.....
xandru
Jul 12 2006, 07:59 PM
Dont forget that cannavaro was often injured at Inter.(knee problems)
and he has proved to be better this world cup too. outstanding.
Jamesbh11
Jul 12 2006, 10:28 PM
Terry is great, but Canavaro is simply BETTER
gunner_g
Jul 14 2006, 10:42 AM
John Terry is much more of a consistent player, while Cannavaro is pretty uncosistent,Cannavaro has the potential to be better, but I feel Terry´s consistency makes him a slightly better player
Stiffmeister
Jul 14 2006, 11:33 AM
JOHN TERRY is the most safe defender in this world!!!
CANNAVARRO concedes too many fouls however i believe they r both equal
Rawul
Jul 14 2006, 01:23 PM
I feel like laughing when people say he is not consistent.That is a pure joke in good spirit[i hope].He has been outstanding since he joined Juve and makes up the defence for Juve along with Zambrotta.He is known to assist so many goals and yet manage to grab one or two by himself.He has better pace than Terry and even though Terry is outstanding Cannavaro manages to take him.Cannavaro is better at marking,sliding tackles,headers and has better reflexes.Shevchenko may not be much of a dribbler,but the way Cannavaro tackles him is 100% owning!
RockinRaul
Jul 14 2006, 02:11 PM
i would say cannavaro. he showed it in this wc and imo he did a better job during the past season with juve. he won 69% of his tackles during this wc. he was the best player for italy this year. and terry just wasn´t that good. ever...
Stiffmeister
Jul 14 2006, 03:46 PM
cannavarro is like 32 yrs old and is playing some spectacular football but JT is only 24 goddamit!!! for him to be at the level he is now is unbelievable!! JT is not quite there yet but he defo will be the best center-back in the world shortly
IKER™
Jul 15 2006, 03:08 AM
Cannavaro for me easily, big players step up in big stage & Cannavaro did just that. Terry is a magnificient defender but for me Cannavaro is the best you can get.
And for those of you who keep on mentioning Cannavaro's poor form at Inter there were recent reports in Italian media that he delibaretly underperformed so that Inter would let him join Juve. It might well be true considering his form for Parma, Italy & Juve.
winning886
Jul 15 2006, 06:02 AM
Cannavaro edges out Terry this season, although both of them had been consistent for their clubs, Cannavaro simply won it with his performance in the WC.
Cannavaro is better on the ground and Terry is better in the air. Terry has been easily skinned by fast players in 1 vs 1 situation too.
untouchables0304
Jul 15 2006, 12:00 PM
cannavaro is best in the world right now and terry is in my top 5 though
     
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