Basically, I wish to reserve my New Man Utd Home shirt tomorrow, with the intention of getting it plain.

I am doing so, so that I can later get it printed with a new signing (hopefully Torres or Carrick ), when the Official squad numbers for the season are released.

So I was wondering, can you take an already worn shirt into a store that does printing (obviously clean and washed ), or can only brand new shirts, purchased at the time, be printed?

Cheers.

Dukey.

Of course you can take a old top and still get printing on it

You can take it in to JJB at least to get it done but it costs a bomb unless you bought it from there.

It's something like £1-2 per letter & £5 per number isn't it?

its a tenner for both the name an number. i dont get how they work it out tho coz ma number 8 came off ma rooney shirt and it cost £6 to get a number 8 put back on ther

but to answer u again m8. its £10 from jjb

No its a tenner if you buy the shirt there and keep the receipt, but it's £6 a number and £2 aletter if you just walk in with any shirt bought somewhere else.

Ah, that isn't too bad. I've been looking for a job recently anyway, so i'm willing to pay that if it means I can get a new signing on my back

fair enough

In Greaves sports

its £1 a letter and £4 a No

One thing i noticed though is you can get furry type letters/numbers or plastic. Normally JJB have the plastic and club shops have furry. This is only EPL by the way. Which are the 'real' ones? They both are genuine but which do pros wear? I imagine it is plastic as it is lighter or whatever but i was wondering.

Also on the JJB thing it is 10 pound if you buy it from JJB but for me it was 1.50 a letter and 5 pound a number.

the 'furr' or felt is what the old numbers and letters used to be, players now have plastic like us

I'm taking my blue brasil kit to nike town to get it done with:

danaldinho
22

which is goin to cost a few pennies

not anymore, it's £10 if you buy it there and £15 if bought anywhere else.

No, plastic FAPL numbering is only for smaller replica numbering. The only time a club have used plastic FAPL was a one seaon trial for Man United in 2000-01. All numbering for FAPL players kits are made from Lextra felt by Chris Kay. Chris Kay also make Lextra replica sized numbering and some club shops stock it. Most sports shops use plastic replica style made by Metro Sport. Part of the reason is the felt numbering suffers from colour run after washing and shirts like Liverpool and Man U which are red tend to run through the white felt numbering making them 'pinky' looking.
Hope this clears this up. Plastic numbering would only be used on players shirts in the FAPl if the kitman ran out and needed an emergency shirt and got the club shop to print them up.

Check the site

http://www.chriskay.com/

Also the Brasil numbering wouldn't cost you that much if you took up my offer as I can get the official numbering at a better price than Niketown will offer you!

Thanks you really know your stuff but one more thing, i tend to go for plastic and my mates have got felt ones and theirs wore down and mine were fine but what do you think is better as i have never used the felt ones before.

I always get the rarer larger player size Lextra player name and numbers for my shirts. I would agree that they don't wash as well and they do tend to suffer from colour run on certain shirts but it is just personal preference. Both have their good and bad points. I don't tend to like the plastic ones as I have them for SPl shirtsd and they do not wear very well and can be prone to 'cracking' sometimes.
I would recommend felt from the point ot view that if they start to peel off they can easily be stuck back down with an normal iron. The plastic can be a bit more tricky if they start to peel. However the plastic style are a lot easier to get if you are loloking around sports store for shirts printing.

I dont understand this i thought the felt was the old style of Numbering because all the EPL clubs ive seen have been wearing plastic . My mate who is a liverpool fan had Diouf on the back which was felt however this was a old top now he has the new one and it is plastic , im ptretty sure its plastic as all the sports shops such as Greaves Sports World Nike and so on use plastic the furry felt was the old design of printing but Chris Kay went under a new design for free movement of players as the felt was heavier than the plastic and sometimes tended to curl , also the plastic doesnt get as dirty as the felt would .



So if i went to the stamford bridge shop would they have the flet or plastic or both ?

http://www.chriskay.com/lextra.html

http://www.chriskay.com/arttex.html

http://www.chriskay.com/artpvc.html



So do club stores do the plastic ? (mainly chelsea im asking about)

However im pretty sure they dont use the furry letters anymore as i remember reading a article maybe in some lower leagues but in the FAPL they use the plastic as ive seen on close ins and

Sorry but whoever you have got your information is completely wrong.
To clarify all this again, there is no 'new' and 'old' as plastic and felt numbers are both still made and sold by shops. Felt names and numbers are all made by Chris Kay who supply all FAPL clubs with the bigger pro size felt names and numbers exclusively for FAPL player shirts. Chris Kay do not make plastic FAPL numbers so to answer your question only 'Lextra'felt is used by Chris Kay.

With regard to FAPL plastic names and numbers are for replica shirts only in the smaller size and these are manufactured by Metro Sport and who have a license to produce official replica names and numbers only. That's why they are replica because they are plastic made from Premtex and not the official felt Lextra products.

http://www.metro-sport.com/scripts/newleag/fapl.htm

You are correct in that most sports stores like Greaves and JJB use plastic names and numbers. However about half Premiership club stores in England sell felt names and numbers. It is the choice of the club stores who they buy from as they come from 2 completely different companies. The Chelsea Megastore at Stamford Bridge sells smaller size felt Lextra names and numbers to answer your question. However if you order from the online Chelsea Meagstore then you will get plastic replica name and numbers as the complete joke that is Kitbag.com run the online store for Chelsea as well as Man U and Celtic. They only use plastic names and numbers so that is waht you would get if you order online.

I know for certain that Arsenal, Liverpool official clubs stores use felt names and numbers on their replica shirts.

If i went to the stamford bridge megastore would i have the option of small felt lettering or normal size plastic lettering as i prefer plastic lettering . Shevva on the chelsea section who lives in london said the lettering at the megastore is plastic but you could always ask if they do felt

If you are saying they are using plastic numbering at ths Stamford Bridge megastore then they must have only recently changed from felt as last season they used felt on all shirts. They don't order from 2 companies and give people the choice as it is not practical. I would be surprised however as I have been going down 3-4 times a year due to a relative who gets me tickets and the shop always has alot of printed shirts hanging up in their seperate printing area and they are always felt. To be honest it doesn't bother me as I never get club shops to print shirts as I print all my shirts myself as I have had some right shirts printed by shops/online retailers and I wasn't impressed with alot of them with regard to placing of numbering/badges etc.. I only use the large FAPL felt players product name and number anyway which is not shold in any shops bar Subside or direct from Chris Kay

prem players use the plastic numbers n lettering. they dont use felt, they used to at the end of the 90s but trust me m8 its plastic. u can tell when ya watching the games how you can see the sun or the floodlights off it when they turn around. just look it google images and type in man united and at some point you will see pictures of the players celebratin or doin stuff and u can clearly see its plastic. its the norm now a days m8




every picture for me so far except for the 1s in the 90's

I am not trying to be patronising but I think I should know and have a better idea than most what specs exist on player shirts. I know 100% that you are wrong as they do not use plastic FAPL names and numbers on player shirts except in emergencies. As well as a collection of replicas I have a decent collection of matchworn shirts from the FAPL all obtained from kitmen or 2 reputable dealers. All the FAPL players shirts I have have the felt larger player size name and numbers. The use of plastic just doesn't happen but if you want to believe it does then it is your choice. I know the truth becuase if you are going to spend decent money on actual player shirts then you reserch what you re buying to ensure you don't get ripped off. I have and as such i know what I am talking about. There really is a bit more to it than looking at the sun reflection or floodlghts.

at white hart lane they used to have felt but now they have plastic (witch is much better imo) the players wear plastic also

To be honest I am getting a bit sick of posting here as it is becoming clear that because the shop sell plastic numbering everyone seems to thing players wear it. They don't, they have Lexta felt. If anyone bothered to do some research they would find this out to be true

ash on the chelsea forum said at the bridge they use plastic and the last time they used felt was 4 seasons ago although he did say the things that are made from felt at the megastore are the champions and the CL badges . I think the players use plastic becuase on MOTD when you see them go for a corner such as a team like arsenal It is shiny gold which i dont think you could get in felt only plastic , thats why i know that they use plastic , also the felt would get grass and mud stains on it where as the plastic doesnt take it in !

The clubs use felt and not plastic I've bought from kitbag (big mistake) my Ronaldo jersey and it came in plastic...I then bought a home Man United home from subside and guess what, it's felt...Subside uses the real numbers that the leagues actually use and it's felt...

Even watching the teams play you can tell it's felt. I thought it was plastic as well, but after further review, that is not the case at all.

To be honest I don't really care whyat shops sell but if you want to talk about Arsenal player shirts being plastic then here we go.
Look at this auction

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ARSENAL-MATCH-WORN-F...1QQcmdZViewItem

It clearly shows Lextra 'flock' numbering and it is clearly described as that and flock is you guessed it......felt


Now if i was to listen to misguided people on this forum either this seller is selling a barrowload of fake shirts with numbering that is not correct which would also mean that I have wasted thousands of pounds on my collection of shirts through the years or the players actually do use felt. Know what one i think is correct but there seems no convincing some people.
Moving on - genuine player shirts from reliable sellers all with felt name and numbers Everton


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mikel-ARTETA-EVERTON...1QQcmdZViewItem

Newcastle gold numbering with a close up to show felt letters and numbers which are raised not like the plastic crap

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Newcastle-United-NZO...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Newcastle-United-Kie...1QQcmdZViewItem

West Brom felt not shinny plastic

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/West-Bromich-Albion-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Portsmouth with rasied felt name and number

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORTSMOUTH-DIAO-Matc...1QQcmdZViewItem

Arsenal Henry shirt - compare how shinny gold the plastic O2 logo is and then compare it to the official felt number on this player worn shirt

http://www.matchwornshirts.com/products.ph...;ProductID=1071

West Ham worn shirt which you can see the felt number has a red/pink tint to it from the laundering of it and this only happens with felt numbering

http://www.matchwornshirts.com/products.ph...;ProductID=1127

Worn Spurs shirt with felt name and number from last season - not plastic again...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JERMAINE-DEFOE-TOTTE...1QQcmdZViewItem

Man U worn shirt with rasied felt numbering/lettering

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WAYNE-ROONEY-MANCHES...1QQcmdZViewItem


Finallly matchworn/issued 05-06 Chelsea FAPL shirts. Again proof that players do not wear plastic in the FAPL

http://www.footballmatchshirts.co.uk/show_product.php?id=292


http://www.footballmatchshirts.co.uk/show_product.php?id=320


I could go on all night but I think I have made my point. Replica name and numbers are plastic. Any shirts worn by players in FAPL games will have felt name and numbers. The only change to this would be in the Champions League where plastic numbering might be worn depending on the style worn. Last season Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal all used plastic numbering whil Man U continued to use Nike printing in felt material.








Thank you....I was beginning to think I was banging my head against a brick wall here!!

u what m8, r u a pro r u. do u sort em out personally. doubt it m8, iv watched enough games either on tv or
in the flesh and iv got a good eye to notice whether a players got illumitive plastic on his back

why have u researched what people spend on whatever for lol. especially on a friday night lol. funny stuff.

and i kno the difference coz ma m8 had felt on his shirt a few yrs back n it was shit, cnt remember wher e said e got it from but plastics the way m8. trust me, when the season starts u wont see no1 with felt as ther numberin n name. dont kno y people think this, u can tell when u see the players on the pitch. get a grip

probably get some stick for this but u lot r losers, ooh my shirts got felt, so, how bent r ya??

trust me, i dont care bout newcastle shirts or the baggies shirts, we was talkin bout the united shirts coz if u can remember, the lad is talkin bout gettin the new united kit, so i dont kno why random team names krept into this equasion, but the united shirts av plastic numbering, u can tell when u see em on the pitch.



ok, maybe afew shirts av felt lol. but like i said, were talkin about united here, not pompy, or baggies or newcastle

Get it right mate this tread started about Man United shirts but it proceded into people who didn't know correctly stating that all FAPL players wear plastic names and numbers on their shirts. I felt with my knowledge of shirts which I think would be superior to the majority of this forum due to my substantial collection that i should correct these misled people and remind them that all FAPL players use felt name and number. You might think it is sad but if you are going to make a big personal investment in player shirts like I have over the years then you do your research properly or you are just wasting all your money. Now I am a Man U fan as well as guess what - I have a reasonable collection of Man U player shirts and guess what all FAPL shirts have on them.....felt and not plastic. They may appear very white but it is probably becasue the shirts are only used once, max twice so they arwe essentially new shirts for every game. The fact is every team in the FAPL is contracted to use the FAPL;s approved felt name and number made by Chris Kay in Lextra material.
While we are on it if you are being blinkered and wishing to gloss over other clubs using felt name and number. How about this link that I posted. Going to tell me this is plastic.....


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WAYNE-ROONEY-MANCHES...1QQcmdZViewItem

Man United shop sells plastic name and numbers that is all. They do not use them on player shirts so accept it.

In relation to your stupid quote 'probably get some stick for this but u lot r losers, ooh my shirts got felt, so, how bent r ya??' Have a world with yourself will you before someone else does I suggest

To be honest fair enough to your evidence but on MOTD it still looks plastic

You have good evidence but i heard that even the badges and nike swoosh were plastic on pros shirts to prevent rubbing etc and on the rooney pic it looks like they are stitched to me. Anyway i still believe you as you have a lot of info and evidence to back up your claims.

With regard to the 2004-06 Nike shirts there is an certain degree of truth in what you say about the plastic badges as all Nike national team player shirts in 2004-06 used the anti-nipple rub shirts with plastic badges like Holland, Brasil, Korea, Mexico, USA, Portugal etc..with the replicas having stiched badges. When nike moved onto the 04-05 tesm shirts though there was some exceptions. Arsenal used plastic badges but Man U had embroidered badges but with a slightly bigger nike swoosh for TV purposes. The other major nike european teams like Juve, Inter, Valencia and PSG had plastic badges although that was not a hard and fast rule as teams like Barcelona, Athletico, Celtic had embroidered badges like the Man U shirts. However all the shirts were still completely different to replicas as they usually had glued seams and bigger mesh air-vents. Adidias for a while used plastic badges and reebok currently use plastic badges on replica and player shirts.

How do you know all this!!!lol jk thanks again mate.

I think this guys is Chris Kay

ALL TEAMS USE THE CHRIS KAY LEXTRA FELT NUMBERS AND LETTERS.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS, THAT THERE IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN CHRIS KAY AND THE EPL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

METRO SPORT PRODUCED THE EPL REPLICA LETTERING, WHICH IS AVAIBLE AT KITBAG AND THE MOST FAN SHOPS. THE DIFFERENCE ARE THE SIZE AND THE MATERIAL.THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER AND FROM PLASTIC MATERIAL. THERE ALSO PLASTIC PATCHES, PRODUCED BY METRO SPORT.

BUT CHRIS KAY ALSO PRODUCED THE LEXTRA NUMBERS AND LETTERS IN REPLICA SIZE.
IT IS THE SAME MATERIAL LIKE THE PROS WEAR, BUT MUCH SMALLER.

ALSO YOU CAN FIND THE OFFICIAL LEXTRA EPL PATCHES IN REPLICA SIZE AND THE OFFICIAL PLAYER SIZE. BUT THE REPLICA SIZE LEXTRA PRODUCTS, YOU DONT FIND IN SO MANY STORES.

SO YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE 3 LETTERING SETS ON MARKET : CHIRS KAY LEXTRA PLAYER SIZE LETTERING AND NUMBERS:

CHRIS KAY LEXTRA REPLICA SIZE LETTERING AND NUMBERS

REPLICA SIZE LETTERING AND NUMBERS MADE BY METRO SPORT

THE SAME FOR PATCHES.

LEXTRA EPL PLAYER SIZE PACTHES
LEXTRA EPL PLAYER SIZE PATCHES

AND THE REPLICA PLASTCI PATCHES FROM METRO SPORT

A GERMAN STORE SOLD THE REPLICA SIZE PLASTIC LETTERING AND THE PLASTIC PATCHES , NOW THEY SELL THE REPLICA PLASTIC LETTERING + LEXTRA REPLICA EPL PATCHES. THEY ONLY CHANGED THE PATCHES.

I BOUGHT THESE PATCHES AND THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER; LIKE THE LEXTRA PLAYER SIZE PATCHES

THE OFFICIAL LEXTRA PLAYER SIZE PRODUCTS; YOU ONLY FIND AT SUBSIDE SPORTS


THE BEST WAY TO SHOW THAT THE TEAMS USE FELT LETTERING YOU CAN SEE AT THE ARSENAL HOME KIT, BECAUSE THE COULOR OF THE GOLD IS DARK AND NO SHINY GOLD LIKE REPLICA LETTERING:

I THINK YOU WILL NEVER FIND A MATCH WORN SHIRT WITH PLASTIC LETTERING; COZ THERE IS THE CONTRACT OF CHRIY KAY AND THE EPL:

ONLY AT THE LAST CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SEASON YOU FOUND AT THE ARSENAL CL HOME KIT PLASTIC LETTERING, BUT THIS WAS A NIKE STYLE
ON THERE AWAY SHIRT THEY USE FELT LETTERING WITHOUT THE EPL LION

THE LETTERING IS IN TWO VERSIONS AVAIBLE; IN EPL VERSION WITH LION AND FOR CL WITHOUT THE LION; BUT ONLY IN PLAYER SIZE OF FELT MATERIAL

No mate I just know what I am talking about as my shirt collection is an investment for the future and if you were going to invest money in something would you not research it to???

How many shorts do you have mate and how much do you think your collection is worth . Im interested in this to collect them do they have to be in mint condition or can they be worn !

I have 2 collections. one replica shirts named and numbered and one of matchworn/issued shirts.
I have currently around 200 matchworn/issed shirts and I guess the are worth about £20,000 at a conservative estimate. Some are only worth about £50 while others i would say are worth around £500 depending on what match details the shirt can be linked to. Matchworn shirts which can often be damaged/ripped and unwashed are more difficult to obtain and as such are more valuable as matchissued shirts whcih have often never been worn by the player in question and are only spare shirts from the kitroom.

Obviously with regards to collecting replica shirts the better condition the more valuable they will be but you can't really put a value on replicas. They are only worth what someone will pay. If you pay £55 for a replica shirt including numbering it is not realistic to expect that in 10 years time you would get your money back if you were to sell it. The replica collection is not an investment for me but only a sideline hobby.

I see do you have contacts as to getting your matchworn shirts , Or do you just buy off ebay

I do have a couple of good contacts that I use to get a decent percentage of my shirts. I would only buy of ebay if I knew the seller as a couple of the reputable dealers of matchworn/issued gear tend to ues ebay sometimes as per the links i displayed or unless I was 100% sure of the item I was buying.
There are some nasty surprises on ebay if you are looking for 'matchworn' shirts, ome of them aren't even genuine replicas and to be honest I would avoid th majority of HK sellers of matchworn shirts on ebay as they are very good with embroidery machines over there. Obvioulsy I would tar everyone with the same brush as there are some decent collectors but they are outweighed by the 'poor students' looking to rip someone off.

Look at this shirt, not only is it not matchworn it isn't even a genuine shirt made by Nike. Made in some sweatshop in Thailand. These nike shirts never had dual layers and it has not flag games details as well

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MATCH-WORN-VAN-NISTE...1QQcmdZViewItem

Inter adriano shirt - not even genuine Nike again and i'd bet not even a genuine signature

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MATCH-WORN-Adriano-s...1QQcmdZViewItem

Genuine Beckham Euro2004 player shirt, wrong type of patches -should be plastic, no match details as would be a a real player shirt and finally he tries to convince you Beckham really wears XXL!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MATCH-WORN-ISSUED-DA...1QQcmdZViewItem

Just a few examples of how people can be stung on Ebay with alleged 'matchworn shirts'. There are many more every day - too many to list. That's why i research so much so i never get ripped off.

the vanistelrooy shirt - the mesh lining was on those isue of shirts. On my old authentic united ashirt ()not replica) it has the mesh

Afraid not. You will have a 2002-04 Man U authentic dual layer shirt which would be correct ot have 2 layers in some of the player shirts. This shirt is a 2004-06 version which is a zero distraction version. NONE of these shirts have dual layers. They 2004-06 Nike shirts have glued seams, plastic badges, different material, bigger mesh side seams but never ever have they had dual layers.

How did you go about with your research did you just look up the net or were there books you learnt from .Do you pay your contacts for getting them

Obviously I pay for the shirts, poeple don't give matchworn Rooney or Gerrard shirts away for nothing.
You cannot find much info about a hobby like this on the net as collectors are very guarded about information of player shirts. I could give alot more info away and go alot deeper but I chose not to on here. My knowledge and information comes from years of experience and it takes a long time to know what you are doing. Everyone starting out in this hobby will be stung at least once when they are new to it. The trick is to learn as quickly as possible and don't part with money unless you are sure of what you are buying

When you said had contacts i thought you meant friends!

There is no such thing as friends in business sadly!!