I am not a Juventus fan, and have been outspoken against them on this exact forum, but it feels weird to see them losing top stars and facing a few years out of Serie A

Whats everyones predictions for the old lady now?

Relegation to Serie C, bankruptcy and extinction. That is my wish list.

They will be back within 2 years.

If the 30 point reduction holds up I say there is no way they get back to A next season. 2 years perhaps.

The bright side is that it will get Serie B some tremendous exposure.

^ Agreed.

Del Piero and Buffon have claimed they will stay, however if not sure thats such a great thing unless they take a large pay-cut.

I predict that they will be down for a few years. Lack of players and loss of income may hit Juventus hard.

Why do people wish this with rival clubs. I rather see the club I support beat the clubs I dispise and prove it on the pitch, not by scandals and bankrupcy.

Doubt they'll make it next season but i reckon they'll get promoted back into the Serie A after two seasons. Doubt they'll win the title straight from there. It'll probably take them another two seasons to really challenge for the Serie A title.

i still believe if they keep, buffon, del boy, nedved, tudor and the stars who are still young enough to take a season away from major leagues like bonijov they will come straight back up without a doubt with these players on paper juve should blow away serie B.

Plus spread salt over it.

Try and post something worthwhile next time would ya!

And something with more words than smilieys. Your not makin friends in a hurry here.

Juventus' general director Luciano Moggi ,in recorded telephone conversations, Moggi tells a senior member of the Italian football federation (FIGC) which officials he would like assigned for Juventus' matches.
Juventus have for many years have lining the pockets of referees to influence results, and the latest scandal prove it.



Juve's general director Luciano Moggi tells Pierluigi Pairetto, who at the time was responsible for selecting referees for the FIGC, which officials he would like assigned for his team's Serie A matches.

Juventus ended the season by winning the championship for a 28th time.

Also implicated in the scandal are another Juve director, Antonio Giraudo, and FIGC vice-president Innocenzo Mazzini.

The transcripts of the telephone conversations were passed on to the FIGC by Turin prosecutors in March, but Italian football's governing body inexplicably failed to take action.


AC Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso argues with referee Massimo De Santis after getting a red card during the Serie A match against Juventus in March 2006. In recorded telephone conversations, two Juventus officials are heard telling high-ranking officials at the Italian football federation (FIGC) which officials he would like assigned for Juventus' matches.
They then found themselves in a highly embarrassing position last week when the transcripts were leaked to the press and splashed over the front page of every newspaper in Italy.

"The tasks facing the FIGC in the next few months are so numerous and serious that it requires the federation's directors to be totally focussed."

If things weren't bad enough for Moggi, he and his son Alessandro, head of GEA, who act as agents for many Italian footballers, are being investigated by prosecutors in Rome and Naples for unfair competition and abuse of market position, including threats of violence.

Moggi has been at Juve for 12 years, during which time the club has stolen six league titles.
Franco Carraro has quit as Italian football federation (FIGC) president after two Juventus directors and high-ranking FIGC officials tried to inflence the choice of referee for Juventus' Serie A matches. Carraro quit .


Juventus' rivals cried foul play in the 1997/98 season.

One point separated leaders Inter Milan from Juventus with four games remaining, when the teams met for a crunch showdown.

Juventus won 1-0, but referee Piero Ceccarini caused controversy by turning down claims for what looked like a blatant penalty when Inter's Brazilian striker Ronaldo was shoulder-charged to the ground by Mark Iuliano.

"It was a match in which everything was at stake. A year of work, a career," cried Inter manager Luigi Simoni after the match.

"Ceccarini was the only person in the world not to have seen the penalty."

Juventus added insult to injury by going on to become champions.

Two seasons later, Juve were battling for the title with Lazio and their challenge was beginning to falter with the Scudetto in sight.

Juve were hanging on to a 1-0 lead in their penultimate match of the season against Parma when Fabio Cannavaro (now a Juve player) headed what television replays confirmed to be a perfectly legitimate equaliser in injury time.

The Parma players could not believe it when referee Massimo De Santis disallowed the goal which enabled Juventus to maintain their two-point advantage going into the final game.


Italian referee Piero Ceccarini, seen here in November 1997, caused controversy by turning down claims for a blatant penalty when Inter Milan striker Ronaldo was shoulder-charged to the ground by Juventus defender Mark Iuliano. Juventus went on to win the match 1-0 and ended the 1997/8 season as Serie A champions. In recorded telephone conversations, two Juventus officials are heard telling high-ranking officials at the Italian football federation (FIGC) which officials he would like assigned for Juventus' matches.
Lazio fans vented their anger by going on the rampage outside the FIGC's headquarters, while Lazio president Sergio Cragnotti declared his team moral victors of the Scudetto.

Hmmm... I thought dreamlander meant to post something that actually adds to the discussions and not some random things in a random topic...

will guys like Davide Chiumiento get pulled back from the clubs where they're playing now?

Too right Cozma.

I want to inspire debate and educated opinion here, not someone rehashing extracts from some media outlet. We all already know the facts.

Get with the program dude.



Apologies for the ignorance, but who is this dude adn where does he play? Actually apart from Miccolli, how many players did ye have out on loan last season that have a realistic chance of playing with yer first team?

Ok I dont know the specifics of how many from Juve were out on loan last season, but I am aware of him. He is on loan over at Le Mans. He had been loaned to Siena the year before. He played in like 2-3 games for Juve before that. I believe his role is that of an attacking midfielder. Just thought guys like that will be more in the scheme of things because of all the impending cost cutting

Yeah, we will at alst get to see some young Italians get big chances i reckon, and Juve is one team i very rarely see young players from. Though Balzeretti has impressed me massively in the games i have seen him in