my parents have banned me from wearing blades since they saw the watchdog program. i can see why but loas of my mates wear blaedes and have no problems. how can you help me convince them that blades are okay? or aren;tthey?

as for leathr, a couple of years ago i converted my family away from leather after i found out they killed kangaroos. now i want to try leather (which i have never worn) but my parents wont let me? any ideas?

tell them the kangaroo's were already dead

as for the blades i have no idea

try telling them that, loads of pros wear bladed boots, they play football full time and there are so few injuries related to the wearing of bladed studs, and as for leather if they arent vegetarian say they eat meat and that animals are killed for there food, also mention how kangaroos are seen as a pest by the native people of australia,.

i forgot to mention that we are all vegetarian. i have tried the peast one but vstill theey say that morally we should not kill

I agree with them on blades. I don't have my knees injured every 4-5 weeks like i used to when i wore blades.

Kangaroos are a different story.. Hope their population grows we need cheaper Copas

Hmm what does vegetarian have to do with wearing leather? I mean, that's taking it a bit too far... so you dont kill mosquitoes or bugs that try to bite you ?

tell them to lighten up a bit.... not in a bad way, but that blades and leather are the 21st century tech.

Tell them that you're against it, but it's better to buy the k-leather shoes now since they are already dead..... so they will furfill a purpose and not just be hidden far back in a dusty, old storage!

yer, say it may be immoral but they are already dead and not buying the boots doesnt mean the kangaroo used isnt dead. What would happen if you just went out and brought them and used them before they realised so you cant take them back?

Can someone explain what exactly happend on this progam please?

you can try lying

Me 2

Tell your parents that your coach told you that blades have the best traction and Kangaroo is much softer leather for better comfort.



This is a weird conversation

ya, what's up with the watchdog program? I prefer blades over studs. No problems for me.

And as for the k-leather issue, well, shoe companies have an agreement with the Australian government regarding Kangaroo leather usage. The kangaroos are harvested just like how we harvest our vegetables and crops, and the kangaroos are only put out by "one of the most humane methods of animal slaughter possible" as quoted from KIAA.

Here are links you and your parents might find useful:

How Kangaroo industry works
Adidas animal rights lawsuit
Kangaroo industry strategic plan

can i just ask sorry, what does you personally wearing blades have to do with your injured knees? how does that work? is it because the ground or what?

for those of u confused with the watchdog thing, it was bon bbc and showed horrific injuries, but im sure that they happen anyway.yeah could u explain the knee thing?

the problem with blades is that, because of the shape of the stud, they dont twist as easily in the ground causing a twisting of the knee, where as round studs can turn easier because they are circle. the physio at the club i was at advised players against wearing blades for this reason.

Haha what a load of bollocks! Unlucky son

does your mom have a purse which is made out of leather? a jacket? interior on a car? Mention that

Or get a job, and buy your own boots.

read this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio...0050913_2.shtml

"Experts are also worried blades could cause more serious joint injuries. Knee surgeon Derek Bickerstaff of Sheffield University is concerned that blades could have the potential to cause twisting injuries, as their increased grip prevents the foot from rotating, sending the force through ankle and knee joints."

Believe it or not but too much traction is bad for some people.

What cleats were you planning on getting. And TBH i cant think of any clrats that are synetetic and have circular studs other then supremacys

well i just bought tunits but i wanted predators, btw fg blades wont cause problems couse they wont be deep in the floor

Rubbish. I saw the program, it was good; but if its safe enough for the multi-million pound value legs of kaka, lampard, gerrard, beckham (blades), crespo, riquelme, ballack, cambiasso, nesta, stam, etc, then ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!

As for the poor kangaroos, what about the poor humans being exploited near enough like slaves in thailand and indonesia, making all of these cheap crappy shite nike boots in sweatshops!?

The exploitation of humans is always going to be apparent in many multinational manufacturing firms, particularly in the boot market, so why be concerned so much about the 'roos?

So your parents own NO leather products? jackets, gloves, sofa's, car seats; and they dont eat meat because we have to kill animals just to get it?

How is killing a kangaroo (pest) worse than killing a cow (not a pest, produces milk, etc)? yet we're happy to kill it for food. and your parents think its fine to kill it for leather?

Sorry dude, but they seem a little confused to me.

Buy Nike MV3's if you want synthetic and studs.

Or Nike Supremacy's.

So buy cheap nike shit, cos they dont kill pests to make their products with; they just exploit indonesian children or migrants in italy so they can claim that they are quality cos theyve been 'made in italia'

Thanks for listening guys,

J

on watchdaog they just interveiwed some coaches that diasproved of blades.

they do cause problems because they still dont turn easily, stil wore them last season, didnt listen to the physio but i wore world cup for sg just to be on the safe side

just stick to tunits

*Sorry - shameless plug* - Redesigned blades for reduced risk of injury

Also, just to put my 2 cents in on the K-Leather debate, there is a lot of misinformation going around on this topic and I would advise looking at the Australian government and Kangaroo industry websites for accurate and detailed information. The main error is that people say they are killed just for their skins. This is not true. Check the links that were posted earlier and google is your friend too.

i hear bout the blades but what is it

A bladed stud IS less likely to turn than a circular stud, but boots don't have just one stud. Once more than one stud is in the ground, the boot won't be able to turn because the opposite stud keeps the other from pivoting anyways. Someone that doesn't like blades comes out with an outrageous claim and all of a sudden everyone believes it.

ok im stepping in, If your parents are against the k leather thing, i believe you are a bit stuck there. as wonderful as leather is there are some drawbacks to it and advantages that synthetic has, so your good either way.
As far as bladed boots are concerned, yes it IS probable that the risk of injury may be increased due to the increased lateral surface area of the stud, but the chance of injury are still slim. Now mind you i am not saying they are perfectly safe, yes im sure there is a good handful of people here that can state they were injured with bladed boots, but it still isn't a very high number. There are millions of people which use bladed shoes, hundreds of which have had problems. And while these are only my stadistics, they are just here to prove a point. Just as having a faster or smaller car increases your chance of death in a car accident, bladed boots may slightly increase the chances of certain kinds of injuries, but it is a chance that many people take and walk away from. -B G

ggod post^ umm no we have noi animal products whatsoever

i think that this is nothing to do with your parents, if you feel its the right decision to buy leather, bladed boots then why dont you just do it??

he could get in trouble if he did it without permission. but you could just say i am old enough to make make my own decisions etc

well they do that disappointment thing and i feel really terrible... my dad is especially against it, and i am worried he wont take me to football practice anymore. especially with mmy trials at the moment. but ive bought tunits anyway

goddddddd!!!!, does it really matter whether they are leather or blades, its the thing at the mo and its whats the companys can come with best

well its important to some people, but its good to know everyone;s opinion

can someone post a pic of a blade cleat and a non blade cleats cuz im sooooooo confused

here

blades are well..... blades.
where as non blades are circular

abs are blades
copas are studs

alrgiht so i dont get it..why arent they lettin u hae blades

because there have been studies and some people say that they may give you too much traction, which could result in injuries to your knees

nothing wrong with blades. ive had 7 pairs of boots, and only one of them had circular studs. blades are much better imo. i feel they make the boot lighter and let you move faster

Blades causing more injury due to traction? Can you guys read Kimberinho21's comments. It is logic.

I've already given my 2 cents worth on K-leather earlier and well, sorry to a silver kangaroo and a Chinese working in a sweatshop because I just got myself a pair of Legends today.

Everybody has a right to an opinion and a pair of soccer boots. So if your parents violently object just do a Beckham and go synthetic. However, I still think blades causing injury is ballacks because Rooney broke his metatarsal while wearing studs.

The choice is yours.

he broke his foot from impact on the top, what has studs have to do with that, the fact are that blades dont turn as easy, causing twising of the knee, and this is the main injury that people worry about when wearing blades. Other injuries, cuts ect, are from people being tackled with blades, and i am not reali bothered about the person i am tackling as long as i win the ball thats all that matters, it doesnt matter if you go through them and cuts ect can be caused from any boots.

as you point out, there has been lots in the news about injuries cased by "too much traction in turning movements" from bladed boots. one of the new things we (hummel) have done in the face of this, is develop and introduce a new "combo" round/blade outsole boot for 2007 on our 8.4 FGX model. it has rounded blade studs on most of the stud points for the added traction from this type of shape, but uniquely has 3 round conical studs in the pivot point to avoid injury when you are turning. this type of localized design offers the best of both world.

more pics and info here

maybe your parents would be ok with something like this?

as well, these boots do use goat skin leather, which unlikw k is a by product of other industries and is a farmed, not culled animal. more environmentally and ethically friendly

R

i have worn blades for over 4 years and have never had a knee injury as a result. Many players have had horrific injuries whilst wearing studs, and there is not a way of proving that blades can cause twisted knees.

What kind of studs do vapors have?

Vapor blades are the worst to get sliced by. They're way sharper than other boots.